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[quote=Tyrone Slothrop]Is Dexibell still using Fatar actions in even their newest pianos?


Yes, but I recall being told by their reps at NAMM that the H10 action is a custom model for Dexibell. Perhaps a new model, that the H10 will be the first to use. It felt pretty nice, though downstairs at the show is not a good place to test much...


What is the tone like?
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If they're using their Platinum pianos you can find samples on YouTube or in existing Dexibell pianos today.


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There are demos on the VIVO H7 page: https://www.dexibell.com/prodotto/vivo-h7-2/?lang=en#1525703255922-500c5b93-3a51

Just scroll down past the "EXP" pianos and to the "Platinum" ones.

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I had a Dexibell P7 and one thing I would say is that although the 'Platinum' sounds are impressive in certain respects (depending on what you're looking for of course) I wasn't really a fan of their tone.

The USA Platinum is the original 'Vivo Grand' but with much more ROM so they've remapped it and perhaps there are more sample layers, who knows? But it is quite cold and metallic and the German Platinum sound is even worse when you play loud. The Japan Platinum is odd because I quite like hearing it on demos and when others play it but I couldn't get along with it at all when I played it...there was some feeling of disconnection for me.

I think Dexibells are best left as they came from the factory, i.e., without the Platinum sounds!

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The owner of a music shop here in Italy, when I spoke to him 'cause I needed to buy a new 88 keys keyboard and I had also the Dexibell Vivo 7 Pro as an option, told me that he stopped to sell Dexibell due to lots of problems related to the Fatar keybeds and the OS freezing.

I own a Dexibell VIVO P3, that's in my vacation home (so I play it only in the summer) and sometimes I had the OS freezing during the start up or the shut down of the keyboard.

Btw I ended buying a Yamaha P-515.

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Just a heads up that the new H10 just launched. I have had my H7 here in the US (I’m in Utah) since Fall 2018. While I have heard about some of the earlier models freezing and having various issues mine has been trouble free. Granted I don’t play for hours a day like I once did. However when I do play i use the headphones and it reminds me every time why I bought it as it sounds so much better than the other brands including all the big names. My beef is that the physical memory so small I have to delete a whole bunch of other sounds in order to load the platinum version.

The other is that It didn’t have weighted keys - and the new one does. And yes they are still using the Fatar key beds. This new H10 has both increased memory and the new key bed. Now the question is can I afford to upgrade?

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Originally Posted by EByers
Just a heads up that the new H10 just launched. I have had my H7 here....It didn’t have weighted keys - and the new one does. And yes they are still using the Fatar key beds. This new H10 has both increased memory and the new key bed. Now the question is can I afford to upgrade?

Did you mean to say/imply that your H7 doesn't have weighted keys? Because it does - 'Triple Sensor Fatar TP40 Graded Hammer with Ivory feel' to be precise.

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The H10 adds:
- wood core in white keys
- escapement
- more sample memory, so e.g. multiple Platinum sounds can exist without deleting anything
- microphone input with effects
- a nicer music rest design
- a better (?) amplification system

(Typing this out of memory. The H10 details are on their website now for anyone to view.)

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No, I understand that there is some weighting with the TP40. However the TP40 wood have a weighting structure closer to that of a grand piano.

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Bonners has just published a very favorable review of the H10. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OomaW_-Ief4

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Originally Posted by DPAfficionado
Bonners has just published a very favorable review of the H10. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OomaW_-Ief4

Keep in mind that this is a sales review, like so many on the internet. As likable as Tony is, you cannot rely on his independence. Ultimately, it's about sales. I have never seen a negative piano review of Bonners, Merriam etc. Of course you can get an impression of the instruments, but don't let all the superlatives influence you too much.


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Originally Posted by DPAfficionado
Bonners has just published a very favorable review of the H10. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OomaW_-Ief4

I like that guy, I think this is about the third time I heard him say "I don't normally state my opinion on products, but... this is fantastic!" 😁

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Dexibell now also has this short ad clip about the "Italian spruce" sound board:


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Yes, we use only wood grown in forests where the flowers smile, the birds sing Chopin waltzes, and the Ricola guy trumpets the virtues of Alpine living.

And that's important for digital pianos. Yessiree!

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Originally Posted by DPAfficionado
Bonners has just published a very favorable review of the H10. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OomaW_-Ief4
Still sounded like a digital to me.


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Originally Posted by orcoaffamato
The owner of a music shop here in Italy, when I spoke to him 'cause I needed to buy a new 88 keys keyboard and I had also the Dexibell Vivo 7 Pro as an option, told me that he stopped to sell Dexibell due to lots of problems related to the Fatar keybeds and the OS freezing.

I own a Dexibell VIVO P3, that's in my vacation home (so I play it only in the summer) and sometimes I had the OS freezing during the start up or the shut down of the keyboard.

Btw I ended buying a Yamaha P-515.
I see from their support site they make many updates to the OS for their DPs, adding new features and fixing bugs. Have you tried to update your P3 firmware to the last version?

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Yes, we use only wood grown in forests where the flowers smile, the birds sing Chopin waltzes, and the Ricola guy trumpets the virtues of Alpine living.

....and all under a waning moon between October and November. grin


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My sabbatical is over and the gloves are on....again (not for you but rather for evil corporations)! laugh

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Bonners has just published a very favorable review of the H10. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OomaW_-Ief4
Still sounded like a digital to me.
I think the single (played without pedal) notes sound good because on a Dexibell each note has a very long attack (up to 15 seconds before the looped part), but the expert ear can feel it's digital. Why? Because there is one thing no manfacturer managed to do it right yet: the quality and richness of the sound when you press the sustain pedal. On an acoustic grand piano, the sustain pedal makes the piano sound gorgeous, with all the strings that beautifully sing together joined by the soundboard vibrations and this sound envelops you at 360 degrees. On a digital, when you play with the sustain pedal depressed usually you feel one of the following:

1) Almost no variations in the sound (apart from the fact that the notes are sustained, of course).

or:

2) Just some more digital reverb that makes the sound become more muffled faster...

DP with modeled piano engines have more potential to get it right, but actually they are not there yet...

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I don't see the point of a 4000 € "high-end digital piano".

As a practice tool? Pretty much useless with that folded Fatar action.

As a gig tool? Nope, not a slab.

As furniture? 4000 € gets you a nice acoustic upright new and used.


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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Yes, we use only wood grown in forests where the flowers smile, the birds sing Chopin waltzes, and the Ricola guy trumpets the virtues of Alpine living.

And that's important for digital pianos. Yessiree!

Again @MacMacMac, 100% agree.

And moreover: who designed this soundboard that was cut from Elysian trees?

Dexibell have always seemed a bit heavy on sizzle, light on steak.

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Originally Posted by clothearednincompo
- more sample memory, so e.g. multiple Platinum sounds can exist without deleting anything
- microphone input with effects

These two are nice, particularly the first one. Having to delete other tones just to have one basic acoustic piano sound is a bit much to ask in a "digital piano" IMO.


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