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Kawai CA49 - Roland HP704/DP603
#3030666 09/30/20 05:27 PM
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Hi everyone,

This is my very first post in the forum. I've been reading posts in the past months but finally I decided to join the crew.

I am 28 years old and I started learning piano about four months ago. I had some decent music education at school, played a lot of percussion instruments and had a thing for the recorder. However, I always wanted to play piano but never had the chance to do it. This old music experience has helped me improve fast in my piano adventure (I think all this recorder sight reading I used to do really sticked with me all those years). Short summary, now I am in love with piano playing and cannot wait to keep learning. I am really into classical music training.

Four months ago I bought a Casio PXS1000. Fortunately I have the chance to play at least once per week in an acoustic (both uprights and grands, it varies), so I know now how it should feel. Short conclusion, I really want and upgrade, since the Casio is not working for me anymore.

I went to a couple of stores here in Zurich and could test different models. My budget is now around the 2200CHF (around $2200 USD). They mainly had Yamahas and Kawais, and I really liked the Kawais!. Specially the CA49 and CA79. I kind of liked the GFC action a bit more than the one in the CA79, although the sound in the second was better. The Yamahas had a bit too heavy action, although my teacher was rooting for those.

Since the CA79 is by far out of my budget, I decided to go with the CA49. Bad news is that the model is really hard to find now because of Corona. I could get it from one retailer in about one month (which is still ok I think). He mentioned also the Roland models. Specifically the Hp704 and the Dp603 (not a big fan of how it looks though), which he has in stock at about the same price and I could get them now. I have not tested them yet (plan to do it over the weekend). I was kind of in love with the Kawai but the Rolands have good specs on paper. What do you guys think? what are your experiences with both? Would you stick with Kawai?

My priority is just basic piano, just for classical music, so the action is the main selling point for me. I do not really use all these extra sounds and features one usually finds in digitals, apart from wireless/USB connectivity and stuff like that. Besides I am usually practicing at night, so I'll be using headphones most of the time.

Thank you guys in advance for your reply. :DDDDD


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Hi I am from switzerland too.
Have you tried the CLP 745 too? The action is actually very light. I tested this one and the CA79. Could not try the GFC Action tough. No CA49/59 was available.
I ordered a CLP745 for 2250 CHF.
If you like GFC more i would go for the CA59 but mainly for the connectivity which you say you dont need.

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Hello AndresVel, welcome to the forum.

It sounds like you are quite keen on the CA49, however as always, I would recommend play-testing similarly priced instruments from other manufacturers before making a decision. This include the Roland models that the dealer offered, and also the new Yamaha CLP-7x5 models.

There will no doubt be different opinions and recommendations from the Kawai, Yamaha, and Roland fans that participate on this forum. However, you will ultimately be the person playing this instrument, therefore you should select the piano that you enjoy playing the most.

Best of luck with your decision!

Kind regards,
James
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Thanks marknitek for your reply
Cool! where are you based in Switzerland?
I don't think I tested that model but I know Clavinovas should also be a good investment.
In which store could you try both (CA79 and CLP745)? All retailers I find online offer the CLP745 for more than 2250 CHF. I would be very thankful if you let me know where you ordered it. How long will you have to wait to get it?
Thanks mate smile


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Kawai James #3030792 10/01/20 03:31 AM
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Thank you KawaiJames for your reply.
I will definitely go this weekend to test some more models.


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I'm from Switzerland, too, AndresVel. As you wrote in your first posting that you went to several shops in Zurich, I'd suggest visit Zulauf Musikinstrumente as well (if you haven't already). This dealership is near Zurich, and Rainer Zulauf is, IMHO, a fantastic dealer, and "adviser". Due to the pandemic, you'll need to make an appointment.


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Originally Posted by AndresVel
I was kind of in love with the Kawai but the Rolands have good specs on paper. What do you guys think? what are your experiences with both? Would you stick with Kawai?

My priority is just basic piano, just for classical music, so the action is the main selling point for me. I do not really use all these extra sounds and features one usually finds in digitals, apart from wireless/USB connectivity and stuff like that. Besides I am usually practicing at night, so I'll be using headphones most of the time.

If you're in love with the Kawai sound, stick to it. Specs on paper don't tell a lot. I also compared Rolands (which were higher on my wish list because of the specs), but ultimately chose a CA79. No regrets, I absolutely love the key action, sound quality and looks of the instrument. I also found the key action to be more quiet (ideal for practicing with headphones at night) without disturbing your roommates too much. I must admit that the sound quality on the headphones is not yet at the same level as over the speakers, but that could be me. I haven't had it that long and I'm a starting pianist just like you.


Musical greetings,

F-Sharp (Kawai CA79 since Sept 2020)
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AndresVel #3030818 10/01/20 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted by AndresVel
Since the CA79 is by far out of my budget, I decided to go with the CA49. Bad news is that the model is really hard to find now because of Corona. I could get it from one retailer in about one month (which is still ok I think). He mentioned also the Roland models. Specifically the Hp704 and the Dp603 (not a big fan of how it looks though), which he has in stock at about the same price and I could get them now. I have not tested them yet (plan to do it over the weekend). I was kind of in love with the Kawai but the Rolands have good specs on paper. What do you guys think? what are your experiences with both? Would you stick with Kawai?

I can't speak RE Kawai models (not tried one for 4 years!) but when I was last shopping around, I really preferred the PHA-50 action vs similarly priced Yamaha and Casio models - I was shopping in the £2-2.5k price range at the time.

I would definitely try the HP-704 and DP-603. Try them both with and without headphones (bring your own trusty headphones). On paper, they may seem the same (action and sound engine) however you might find that you prefer one over the other.

The HP-704 is one of those releases that Roland didn't make a big deal about... but it's a model that's robbing sales from their flagship LX-7xx lineup... some work must have been done to it to make it that good... either that, or the new LX-7xx lineup isn't to buyer's tastes.

I'd be been to know what your thoughts are having tried both (704 vs 603). smile


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Originally Posted by AndresVel
Thanks marknitek for your reply
Cool! where are you based in Switzerland?
I don't think I tested that model but I know Clavinovas should also be a good investment.
In which store could you try both (CA79 and CLP745)? All retailers I find online offer the CLP745 for more than 2250 CHF. I would be very thankful if you let me know where you ordered it. How long will you have to wait to get it?
Thanks mate smile

I live near Lucerne. Well i tested the 735 to be honest but it has the same GrandTouch-S action but without the wooden white keys (as the 745 has). I was able to test it at Musik Hug in Ebikon.
Ultimatly i ordered from Furrer Pro Music, they were the cheapest and the store is 15min away from my workplace.
https://www.furrerpromusik.ch/Digital-Pianos/Yamaha-CLP-745B-Digital-Piano-Schwarz-Matt::3089.html

Nobody knows exactly when these Yamahas will be delivered smile hoping for early november but expecting early december...
The guy at Furrer said that Kawais are easier to get, they had a ca59 in stock (even in my color!) and some CA99 but since i never tested the GFC Action i went with the 745

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Thanks for the info marknitek! I knew about the store from the Kawai website but with a different name (they have another one for online services), so I could not see the models in stock online. I will contact them now as they seem to have some interesting models in stock (and prices smile as well).
If they happen to have the CA49 in stock I might just as well order it immediately.

You made me doubt about the Clavinova models. I know I played one model at Musk Hug in Zurich but I think it was a high end model. I might go again and check. I tested a lot the P-515 so that's the action I have in mind (which I found a bit too heavy). Let's see smile
Hopefully your CLP arrives soon smile


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Hi F-sharp. I've read several of your posts recently on other threads as I was looking for new options, and knew already about your love for your CA79 smile
Thanks for replying to this thread and sharing your experience.
Hope the piano learning is going well for you smile


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Imo HP704 is better deal than the CA49, but if you can go for CA59 or CLP745, more notes, better sound engine and polyphony than the CA 49.

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FWIW, I'm very happy with my DP603. The action feels as good as any of the uprights in the practice rooms of the music department of the college at which I work. It doesn't compete with a grand piano of course, but I wouldn't expect it to ... smile


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So I went today the test the Roland models. I went first to this store with the CA49 in the showrrom just to keep the feel in mind and then to the other one. There I could only test the DP603 (the HP704 was not in the showroom nor in stock). Even though the action was nice as well, I enjoyed the experience more with the Kawai. Besides I really do not like the design of the DP603 :S.I like also more the sound of the Kawai. So I think I'll go for the CA49. I do not really need the extra features of the CA59 so I think I could save myself the price difference (they have anyways the same action, which was the main thing for me)

Originally Posted by marknitek
Ultimatly i ordered from Furrer Pro Music, they were the cheapest and the store is 15min away from my workplace.
https://www.furrerpromusik.ch/Digital-Pianos/Yamaha-CLP-745B-Digital-Piano-Schwarz-Matt::3089.html

I checked with this dealer and he had the CA49 in stock :)) and exactly in the rosewood color I wanted. He offered a good deal with bench and headphones as well so I am getting it next week :DD cannot wait. Thank you marknitek again for the contact smile


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Originally Posted by AndresVel
So I went today the test the Roland models. I went first to this store with the CA49 in the showrrom just to keep the feel in mind and then to the other one. There I could only test the DP603 (the HP704 was not in the showroom nor in stock). Even though the action was nice as well, I enjoyed the experience more with the Kawai. Besides I really do not like the design of the DP603 :S.I like also more the sound of the Kawai. So I think I'll go for the CA49. I do not really need the extra features of the CA59 so I think I could save myself the price difference (they have anyways the same action, which was the main thing for me)

Originally Posted by marknitek
Ultimatly i ordered from Furrer Pro Music, they were the cheapest and the store is 15min away from my workplace.
https://www.furrerpromusik.ch/Digital-Pianos/Yamaha-CLP-745B-Digital-Piano-Schwarz-Matt::3089.html

I checked with this dealer and he had the CA49 in stock :)) and exactly in the rosewood color I wanted. He offered a good deal with bench and headphones as well so I am getting it next week :DD cannot wait. Thank you marknitek again for the contact smile

Cool! Iam glad i could help you out!

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Originally Posted by AndresVel
I checked with this dealer and he had the CA49 in stock :)) and exactly in the rosewood color I wanted. He offered a good deal with bench and headphones as well so I am getting it next week :DD cannot wait.

Congratulations on your purchase, AndresVel! Will you share your experience(s) with your piano once it has found its way to its new home?


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Congratulations, but IMO you should have gone for CA59, but I guess that's your budget.


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Congratulations. I love that new DP feeling.


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Congrats Andres & have fun with your purchase.


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Originally Posted by Mickey_
Congratulations on your purchase, AndresVel! Will you share your experience(s) with your piano once it has found its way to its new home?

Thanks everyone for the good vibes and for all tips and recommendations. Also to you Mickey for recommending the Zulauf store. They seem to offer an amazing service. I will keep the info for the future.
I will do for sure smile will be informing about how the piano performs once I get to play with it a bit.
I might also share something in some of the forum recitals or in the 40 pieces challenge. Looks like fun.
thanks again everyone laugh


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