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Originally Posted by 7even
I have a Fantom 8. I don’t have enough experience messing around with previous iterations of v-pianos but I tweaked one of the sounds to something that sounds pretty good to me, and reminds me of my previous favorite piano sound, the default Supernatural piano of the RD700NX. It’s pretty convincing IMO. Set the keyboard touch to light and turn up the various resonance options (at least to their mid-points) to make it sound a bit more alive.

I do recall the RD2000 having more parameters for adjusting v-pianos, but it has been a while since I played around with one.

I would have thought the Fantom had the RD700NX piano sample?


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i own a RD 2000. i get the best result for v-piano, when i connect my keyboard with a pa system.

i put the sound system 1 to main output and sound system 2 to the sub system.
then i layer the v-piano on zone 1 and a supernatural Sound in zone 2.

i mixed it up and tweak the parameters with the piano designer on my Ipad.

At he end,
The sound is better then any VST, especially the using of the sustain pedal.With this configuration the metallic and synthetic sound from the v-piano disappears . The room is fullfilled with a rich dynamic and wonderful piano sound.

But it is not possible to transfer this sound into headphones.

if i play with a headphone i use VSTs (Pianoteq Bechstein, Bluethner and modern U).
The headphone output for builtin sounds is not able to bring out the expected sound.
I own the AKG 702, Beyerdynamic DT 990 pro, Hyperlux HD 681 and Sure SE 215.
But by using VSTs the sound of the internal soundcard is so much better.


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Originally Posted by klausi6
i own a RD 2000. i get the best result for v-piano, when i connect my keyboard with a pa system.

i put the sound system 1 to main output and sound system 2 to the sub system.
then i layer the v-piano on zone 1 and a supernatural Sound in zone 2.

i mixed it up and tweak the parameters with the piano designer on my Ipad.

At he end,
The sound is better then any VST, especially the using of the sustain pedal.With this configuration the metallic and synthetic sound from the v-piano disappears . The room is fullfilled with a rich dynamic and wonderful piano sound.

But it is not possible to transfer this sound into headphones.

if i play with a headphone i use VSTs (Pianoteq Bechstein, Bluethner and modern U).
The headphone output for builtin sounds is not able to bring out the expected sound.
I own the AKG 702, Beyerdynamic DT 990 pro, Hyperlux HD 681 and Sure SE 215.
But by using VSTs the sound of the internal soundcard is so much better.

Very interesting.
I have noticed that the modelled sound in the LX17 is impressive but the same sound in the LX7 is forgettable. I played the V-piano on a fairly decent set of monitors and had a great experience. My hypothesis is that the bespoke amplification system in the LX17 somehow creates a different sonic environment to the lesser system on the LX7.

It's fascinating that somehow, the layering of both modelled sounds augments the playing experience, whereas layering two sampled sounds usually creates a chorus effect that does little and makes delicate playing sound bad.


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That amazing! I love that idea! I would never have guessed that layering V Piano and superNATURAL pianos could make things sound even more real. Which SuperNATURAL and V Piano sounds are you layering to get your favorite most realistic end result? Are you only laying V Pianos, or superNATURAL sound too? Thanks so much! smile


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Thanks for the reply/advice Doug! smile Yea due to corona I can't really go out to Guitar Center or any music store to test anything out unfortunately, so I'm kind of forced to guess my way through this. I do feel like just with the features, sound, abilities, and key feel of the Fantom 8 alone, it's pretty perfect for me. So I'm SO glad I'm done research digital pianos.. I was going mad due to my need for very specific things that I needed it to do and have. Haha So glad the fantom 8 checks all the boxes, but I'm not so glad that I can't go to a music store and test it out myself and get a feel of the V pianos and superNATURAL pianos. Guess I'll be testing it at home once I buy it! :P lol Doesn't sound too bad to me. cool


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Originally Posted by Doug M.
It's fascinating that somehow, the layering of both modelled sounds augments the playing experience, whereas layering two sampled sounds usually creates a chorus effect that does little and makes delicate playing sound bad.

if you take a look at the wiring diagram the sounds goes different ways on the 2 outputs.
Sounds with direction to the sub out are effectless, that mean, no sympathic resonance, no delay, no reverb etc.

i think that that is the reason , why this is functional.

@MelodicR. : for me it is a difference in hearing a sound on youtube or playing the instrument by myself. if you play and get this amazing feeling , you think are are connected to the piano and you can express yourself, then it is the right piano for you

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Originally Posted by klausi6
i own a RD 2000. i get the best result for v-piano, when i connect my keyboard with a pa system.

i put the sound system 1 to main output and sound system 2 to the sub system.
then i layer the v-piano on zone 1 and a supernatural Sound in zone 2.

i mixed it up and tweak the parameters with the piano designer on my Ipad.

At he end,
The sound is better then any VST, especially the using of the sustain pedal.With this configuration the metallic and synthetic sound from the v-piano disappears . The room is fullfilled with a rich dynamic and wonderful piano sound.

But it is not possible to transfer this sound into headphones.

if i play with a headphone i use VSTs (Pianoteq Bechstein, Bluethner and modern U).
The headphone output for builtin sounds is not able to bring out the expected sound.
I own the AKG 702, Beyerdynamic DT 990 pro, Hyperlux HD 681 and Sure SE 215.
But by using VSTs the sound of the internal soundcard is so much better.

Should work perfectly on a Fantom, as it has both V-Piano and SuperNatural.

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a friend of me has made some tutorial videos for fantom.
one describes the piano section.
the videos are in german, but perhaps it helps.


https://youtu.be/MzRC3oTdatI

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