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Re: Old Bluthner in the laboratory( work in progress)
pierluigi #3028723 09/24/20 08:02 PM
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It looks like 41231, but the angles are not good.


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IMO it’s 212?4 or 242?4


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Re: Old Bluthner in the laboratory( work in progress)
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Originally Posted by Joseph Fleetwood
It's also interesting that it's not the patent action. The action in the piano is almost certainly the original one for the piano and not a later replacement.

I remember reading somewhere that back in the days when most Bluthner pianos were made with the patent action, some/all of the larger instruments had a roller action. I wish I could remember where I read this.

Anyway, here is another example. This is no. #26342 from the late 1880s - a similar date to Pierluigi's piano. This piano is 220cm, a similar length to Pierluigi's. Here are a couple of photographs, one showing the plate and the stringing (not identical to Pierluigi's but quite similar), and the other showing the action, which is clearly not the Patent action.

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My conclusion is that it is highly likely that the action of Pierluigi's piano is the original action.

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Does the photo of two hammers and shanks show a new one and an original one? I don't think anybody would make the knuckle that way, with a strip of buckskin, now.

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Originally Posted by edferris
Does the photo of two hammers and shanks show a new one and an original one? I don't think anybody would make the knuckle that way, with a strip of buckskin, now.

Interesting observation. The shank with the leather strip has wood of a much darker colour - probably this is original, I would think.

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IMO it’s 212?4 or 242?4
I can only see 1244 .....well thats what I see .,so I would not believe it !

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This has been the best thread I ever read on PianoWorld. It’s amazing what you are getting for an under $10,000 investment, Pierluigi. Where are you located, may I ask? It would be great to hear a recording of this after it’s completed and then again after it has settled in a bit. Thanks for sharing!


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Re: Old Bluthner in the laboratory( work in progress)
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It could be 24234. Hard to tell between 1 and 4. Thanks for sharing the photos of the rebuild!

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That pinblock appears to be part of the case, which is probably why it is not being replaced. That would be expensive.

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The craftsmanship used in the exposed pin block of this Blüthner, as well as Bechstein, Bösendorfer, and others of that period is beautiful - Multi level, multi angle, and so precise.


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im from italy, near to Pescara. i will record this piano. but need to buy a rode nt 1 or something else.

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Originally Posted by pierluigi
im from italy, near to Pescara. i will record this piano. but need to buy a rode nt 1 or something else.

Pescara! Quello è l'Est di Roma, sì? La mia famiglia viveva a Modena.

(Forgive my Italian if I made a mistake. I love the language, but I am an English speaker and I struggle.)


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modena is to far. pescara is near to roma yes. 200km.

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Pescara is where the famous Fabbrini shop is located. The Hamburg Steinway of Maurizio Pollini was fine tuned by Fabbrizi.


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I think Joe is correct that the pinblock has been replaced. It has the restorer's name printed on it: "Centro Pianoforti, Bevilacqua, Camerano". So I think some of Rich's praise is due to them.

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Nice, thank you.

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Interesting that someone would spray the plate inside the piano. This unconventional approach makes it much more difficult to get a good result. Both the spraying and sanding become harder to do efficiently. Good Luck!


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Hi, the piano will arrive on Saturday and I am very happy.
the restorer had to make some recalculations for the piano tailpiece because over time with the various interventions it was miscalculated. in the last photo there is an unknown number written during some past intervention and even if it is not very reliable it seems to correspond to the serial number that would identify the plan as 1883/1884.

see you soon !

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