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Is anybody on this forum planning to ditch / trade their ES-110 for the 520? (I recently bought the 110...). Thanks.
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Nah.. You'd only go Es110, CA99, Novus 10.
Everything in between is pointless. Just save up so you get to one of those break points.
Exceptions are the stage pianos, which fill specific roles.
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Is anybody on this forum planning to ditch / trade their ES-110 for the 520? (I recently bought the 110...). Thanks. I did have the es110 but swapped that for a dexibell p7 but looking at the 520/920 to replace it. just wondering if I can cope with the 17 kg weight!! The 520 is the same as my P7 so that would be fine but just thinking if it worth getting the 920 !!
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Nah.. You'd only go Es110, CA99, Novus 10.
Everything in between is pointless. Just save up so you get to one of those break points.
Exceptions are the stage pianos, which fill specific roles. This is really an elitist viewpoint. An amateur player may never reach those levels of instrumentation, so there is no reason why not to desire an upgrade in your budget and at your level. I would go to the ES920 if it's in the budget, but no reason not to go to the ES520. The resale on your ES110 is probably pretty good.
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Nah.. You'd only go Es110, CA99, Novus 10.
Everything in between is pointless. Just save up so you get to one of those break points.
Exceptions are the stage pianos, which fill specific roles. Naaah... Yamaha P45 or... an acoustic grand Steinway Model D-274 "Horowitz approved". Anything in between is pointless, so if you don't have the money I suggest you the lottery.
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I've owned the MP11 for several years. I bought the ES-110 a few months ago, as I'm stuck 3000 miles away from said MP11, which is near NYC. 25 pounds is all I can deal with in this La La Land house, schlepping outside the house and back in after practice outside (and eventual Amtrak schlepping cross-country once it's safe to do so). I bought the Casio PXS 3000 before the 110 (and returned it; horrible keybed, caused awful fatigue after about 15 minutes of playing [but lots of cool features]). I really like the 110's keybed; I can play all day. I do wish it had audio it; it's great for practicing along with YouTube videos. My current workaround is using my $200 Vox keyboard amp (which is great, BTW, < 10 pounds). I'll probably do brain surgery on the 110 and add an audio in at some point; it doesn't appear to be too difficult.
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Isn’t that what we do ‘round here?
We are all obsessing over instruments we’re not buying simply because that’s what we do.
I see you commenting on many threads; are you interested in buying any of the instruments discussed in those threads?
Incidentally, I said the exact same thing Yojimbo and magicpiano said, yet I don’t see you scolding them.
Believe it or not, my perceived ‘negativity’ towards this ES-920 is shared by many here.
We cannot allow this place to become yet another ‘positivity bubble’ because that’s exactly what manufacturers would love: for people to come here looking for not-paid-for information (negative or positive) and find exactly the same gibberish they will find @manufacturers’ website; only worded differently. es920 ordered and arriving tuesday. I appreciate all the comments, we are all adults and synthesise them with our own knowledge and expereince. I wouldnt want either side shut down or stymied, its a free world...
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es920 ordered and arriving tuesday. I appreciate all the comments, we are all adults and synthesise them with our own knowledge and expereince. I wouldnt want either side shut down or stymied, its a free world... Congratulations! Personally I don't think the ES920 is a bad product. It's just that after 5 years from the ES8 (which was indeed a very good DP, with a classy look too) the users who knows all its positive (many) and negatives (few) would have expected something more from the successor of such a great DP. So be happy! You bought a very good DP. Maybe you paid a little more of its value, being that the product just come out on the market, but if you were in a hurry to get it, you love how the Kawai DPs sound and you have the money, why not?
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Is anybody on this forum planning to ditch / trade their ES-110 for the 520? (I recently bought the 110...). Thanks. Yes indeedy. I was impressed with the choices made by Kawai to meet the $700 USD price point, its obvious it's a piano first instrument, even including a good pedal. I think they succeeded. But besides its extremely likable action, its middling and even deficient in many ways- - no analog in miniport - no usb port - sound system compromised by having the speaker down firing - no BT music streaming to it - no screen, and learning the system meant memorizing a lot of button and key presses - etc. Here''s a post I wrote at KC: I've been kinda obsessed since the ES520 has been announced. I LOVE the action on my ES110, but as a bare bones model it didn't even have an aux input or USB connectivity. I made a wish list for the ES110, the idea being that they already had a wonderful action, so just add to that. They've included pretty much everything on my upgrade list AND they went with an upgraded action they had already developed for the KDP110 console. Of course the price went from $699 to $1,199, and it weighs more, 32 pounds compared to 26. Such is life! Besides being cheaper, the 520 is lighter than the 920, which has a different action. ES110 >>>> ES520 > $699 >> $1,199 > 26 lbs >> 32 pounds > RHC, 2 sensors >> RHC II, Responsive Hammer Compact II, 3 sensors, see below > No >> Streaming BT audio from your smart device > No >> USB to host device > 14 watts >> 40 watts sound system > 9' concert EX >> SK-EX and EX, the 110 pianos were variations of one piano, the 520 uses 2 different pianos > No >> audio in on minijack > 19 sounds >> 34 sounds > None >> 128 x 64 pixel OLED > No >> Spatial Headphone Sound, SHS > No >> optional 3 pedal unit, GFP-3, does NOT require the furniture stand! Same one included with MP11SE > Some Piano adjustment >> [censored] ton of piano adjustment: see below from manual > BT MIDI >> BT MIDI > Foot pedal >> supports half-pedaling like the ES110 F-10H pedal, quality pedal, included From PianoDreamers.com: PianoDreamers.com review of KDP110, which uses same action as ES520 "While this is an entry-level piece, Kawai has tried to make the keyboard feel nearly as good as premium pianos, and the RHCII is not an entry-level action. For the price, it has an impressive feel overall and adds significantly to the quality of the instrument. This action is a 3-sensor version of the ES110’s action, which itself was designed based on the RHIII but meant to be compact. The fact that it is 3-sensor improves its responsiveness, particularly when you are playing passages that require a lot of speed and a light touch. I’ve also noticed that the RHCII is less bouncy, quieter, and a little bit heavier compared to the RHC, which gives it a more substantial feel."
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So.... it sounds like the PianoDreamers review summary of the action is it feels heavier as in less rebound bouncy and more substantial.
I know some people like the extremely fluid action of the 110, but I am hopeful, am imagining that it feeling "more substantial" on the KDP110 means perhaps a bit more stately, but still very limber and agile. I suspect it'll be easy for us ES110 enthusiasts to adapt to. I'ma thinkin positive!
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Is anybody on this forum planning to ditch / trade their ES-110 for the 520? (I recently bought the 110...). Thanks. I am staying with my ES110 unless the new 520 action is lighter.
Find 660 of Harry's solo piano arrangements for educational purposes and jazz tutorials at https://www.patreon.com/HarryLikas Harry was the Technical Editor of Mark Levine's "The Jazz Theory Book" and helped develop "The Jazz Piano Book."
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So.... it sounds like the PianoDreamers review summary of the action is it feels heavier as in less rebound bouncy and more substantial.
I know some people like the extremely fluid action of the 110, but I am hopeful, am imagining that it feeling "more substantial" on the KDP110 means perhaps a bit more stately, but still very limber and agile. I suspect it'll be easy for us ES110 enthusiasts to adapt to. I'ma thinkin positive! I'm reasonably sure pianodreamers is a copy writer, not an actual reviewer.
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Is anybody on this forum planning to ditch / trade their ES-110 for the 520? (I recently bought the 110...). Thanks. I did have the es110 but swapped that for a dexibell p7 but looking at the 520/920 to replace it. just wondering if I can cope with the 17 kg weight!! The 520 is the same as my P7 so that would be fine but just thinking if it worth getting the 920 !! Why did you switch 110 > P7? I'm not doing 37.5 pounds; 25 (110) is more than enough to schlep. My MP11 at 80 pounds or so stays put.
Selmer Mark VI Tenor (‘73) & Alto Sax (‘57), Yamaha YSS-62 Soprano Sax (‘87), Conn Naked Lady Baritone Sax (‘52), Conn New Wonder Tenor & Alto Sax (‘24), Yamaha WX5 Wind Synth (‘13), Kawai MP11 & ES-110, Numa Compact 2x, Casio PX5S, Roland VR-09, Hammond E-112 (‘69).
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Is anybody on this forum planning to ditch / trade their ES-110 for the 520? (I recently bought the 110...). Thanks. I am staying with my ES110 unless the new 520 action is lighter. I could see that for you. I don't need lighter than my 110. The better speakers would be cool, but since I have to schlep another, separate amp anyway, it's not that big of a deal for my particular applications. Audio in is fixable with a simple port addition and some solder, a drill, and a little time. I hear the 520's action is slightly heavier, but this is "hearsay." Hopefully somebody will actually play this thing and report.
Selmer Mark VI Tenor (‘73) & Alto Sax (‘57), Yamaha YSS-62 Soprano Sax (‘87), Conn Naked Lady Baritone Sax (‘52), Conn New Wonder Tenor & Alto Sax (‘24), Yamaha WX5 Wind Synth (‘13), Kawai MP11 & ES-110, Numa Compact 2x, Casio PX5S, Roland VR-09, Hammond E-112 (‘69).
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I bought a ES110 3 weeks ago and I'm still in the 30 day return period from Gear4music, so I ordered the ES520 today and will have until the end of the week to compare them and decide which one to return. Let's see if it's worth the price bump, I'll post my thoughts after I've tried it.
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Is anybody on this forum planning to ditch / trade their ES-110 for the 520? (I recently bought the 110...). Thanks. I did have the es110 but swapped that for a dexibell p7 but looking at the 520/920 to replace it. just wondering if I can cope with the 17 kg weight!! The 520 is the same as my P7 so that would be fine but just thinking if it worth getting the 920 !! Why did you switch 110 > P7? I'm not doing 37.5 pounds; 25 (110) is more than enough to schlep. My MP11 at 80 pounds or so stays put. I switched because I play with a choir of about 40 members and the speaker on the es110 was to quiet. The speaker on the es110 was only 7W on the p7 it is 35W so i can play without using a speaker at rehearsals. I play with a band most of the time so need to be loud. It saves setting up a separate speaker and carry one . the es520 and 920 are 20W so hopefully will be loud enough.
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Dear Gustavo Guerra,
We need you! Please tell us about how different the actions are. I also ask that you compare them with no sound (volume off) , that way you can feel the difference purely on a physical level. I suffer from tendinitis and am always looking for a lighter action. I currently play a ES110 action.
Thank you, RinTin
Find 660 of Harry's solo piano arrangements for educational purposes and jazz tutorials at https://www.patreon.com/HarryLikas Harry was the Technical Editor of Mark Levine's "The Jazz Theory Book" and helped develop "The Jazz Piano Book."
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I bought a ES110 3 weeks ago and I'm still in the 30 day return period from Gear4music, so I ordered the ES520 today and will have until the end of the week to compare them and decide which one to return. Let's see if it's worth the price bump, I'll post my thoughts after I've tried it. Being that you bought the 520 from the same place, right?, perhaps they'd extend the 30 days by 15 days? Many places have a 45 day return window these days. Yes please, direct comparison!!!
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...what are these black parts on the foto of the Demo-RHIII? They are referred to as key "bushes", small parts that help to reduce action noise. Kind regards, James x
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I switched because I play with a choir of about 40 members and the speaker on the es110 was to quiet. The speaker on the es110 was only 7W on the p7 it is 35W so i can play without using a speaker at rehearsals. I play with a band most of the time so need to be loud. It saves setting up a separate speaker and carry one .
the es520 and 920 are 20W so hopefully will be loud enough. Check with your phone using an sound meter app, how many Decibels is the es110 outputing peak @ maximum volume. On android sound analyzer is a good app, and it's completely free with no ads. There should be an ios version as well not sure.
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