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Wich are more difficult: Bach partitas, or english suites?
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I ussually find different opinions about it. When i heard them, they seem difficult enough for me. I can't play them yet, I'm with the french ones now.

Would you grade as more difficult the partitas or the english suites?

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I think the Partitas are usually considered the most difficult, although I'm not sure why. But the Partitas themselves have a range of difficulty with the first being easier than the others. Also, the individual movements in each of these suites also have a big range of difficulty.

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The usual teaching order is--

1) French Suite

2) Partita and French Overture

3) English Suite

But there is a lot of overlap. And it's not particularly useful to rank the groups, unless you are set on playing an entire suite.


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As you said, different people have various opinions about it. Some rank the english suites harder and some the partitas. As you know difficulty is a relative value. The English suites, even though they are named that way are in large part based on french style, even if as usual with Bach some parts are based on italian style and a good mixture of german harmonic counterpoint. The style of the two is really different, and then it varies by suite and even by dance/mouvements. I tend to believe that the partitas require a superior sense of expressivity, when the english ones are more counterpoint based and so are probably more technical in nature. So even if technically speaking both are probably pretty close, i find the partita more difficult to play musically. But sight reading both, it is easier for me with the partita. Go figure !

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For what its worth, Partita #6 is the only partita or English Suite that is on the FTCL repertoire. Partitas #2-5 and English Suite #2 are on the LTCL repertoire.

(The Partitas could also be called the German Suites.)

https://www.trinitycollege.com/resource/?id=8546


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So even if technically speaking both are probably pretty close, i find the partita more difficult to play musically. But sight reading both, it is easier for me with the partita. Go figure !

I think that's because Partitas sound better. Some of the English Suites put me to sleep.


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They’re about the same technically, but I find the English suites just a touch more difficult

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I will have to try them by myself, in a couple of years

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I find the English suites more difficult. The writing just feels more intense to me.


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