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Use of the piano came to a halt today when runaway memory killed my desktop PC. Memory usage would creep up and up and up until all memory was consumed and the PC would hang.

The solution was to uninstall AVG anti-virus. This was their app update that installed about eight days ago, and the virus definitions that installed last night.

After uninstalling AVG all is well.

Has anyone else suffered this problem lately?

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I thought you used no AV other than Windows Defender.


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Use of the piano came to a halt today when runaway memory killed my desktop PC. Memory usage would creep up and up and up until all memory was consumed and the PC would hang.

The solution was to uninstall AVG anti-virus. This was their app update that installed about eight days ago, and the virus definitions that installed last night.

After uninstalling AVG all is well.

Has anyone else suffered this problem lately?

I got wise and went for Bit Defender, as most of the apps are hopeless bloatware. Kaspersky is OK, but the rest are mostly mince and hog ram.


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I'm told that Windows Defender is adequate and there's no need for AVG or any other AV package.
AVG served well for many years. This incident likely reflects a defective update of the virus definitions.
But now it's gone. We'll see how well WD performs on its own.

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If you're using a Windows computer exclusively for virtual instruments and music, why would you need a virus scanner program at all? It seems like a good way to suck up resources that could otherwise be dedicated to the actual use you want to get out of the computer.


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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
I'm told that Windows Defender is adequate and there's no need for AVG or any other AV package.
AVG served well for many years. This incident likely reflects a defective update of the virus definitions.
But now it's gone. We'll see how well WD performs on its own.

In the sense that Windows 10 has better virus protection, I think that's mostly true. When it comes to other tyes of malware, not sure. Many still run eg malwarebytes or an all in one package.

Like Frank says: unless you're engaging in lots of risky Web activities, you can probably get on without a dedicated AV.


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I think most (if not all) antivirus software take a lot of RAM and make your PC much slower. It's for this reason that I use only the antivirus integrated in Windows. It's faster than all the others I tried in the past and actually I could even totally disable it, considering that I never download pirated or untrusted software on my computers and I never open executable files attached to an email or click on weblinks with messages like: "Found 1 virus on your PC. Download this app to remove it!".

But recently it happened to me that my PC was very low on memory, so I checked with the task manager and apart from the usual Firefox and Chrome browsers which are notoriously RAM-eaters, I noticed another process with big ram consumption: the Windows Defender antivirus... After a while that you don't restart your PC (I always hibernate it) it's possible for the defender process (MsMpEng.exe) to reserve for itself much ram (recently it reserved almost 1GB!). I had to disable and re-enable it to lower its memory consumption.

So, the solution is to disable all this cr@p bogusware and use just your brain as the better antivirus there is. You'll gain better latency for your audio applications, more available RAM, faster loading times, less wear on your hard drive.

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I used Avast for many years, but switched to WD few years ago. Very satisfied with results.


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There was a time a decade ago when I used a laptop exclusively for piano. It was on the net for a while ... until its network interface failed. No matter ... the piano was for piano, not for surfing.

But in my living situation today, the piano sits next to my desk. On the latter sits a high-spec desktop PC, so I use it for both computing and for piano. It's on the net, so it needs protection.

I'm hoping that Windows Defender is defensive enough to defend my computer. Go defense. (BTW, there's no "c" in defense.) smile

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Defence is the correct British and hence original spelling of defense.

It sounds like thr AVG update version has a memory leak.

No antivirus software will stop all attacks. MS Windows Defender has an advantage of better integration with the OS. There may be more code running with administrator privileges in the application domain (outside the OS) with a 3rd party AV application, which would expand the attack surface of the overall configuration.


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I use AVG on my Windows Notebook. It's always pestering me to upgrade, but my piano lappie isn't on the internet and Vista which it uses, do no upgrades now. But I upgrade the piano software from a memory stick anyway.
Not sure if I'd trust Defender for stuff like banking . . .


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Originally Posted by Sweelinck
Defence is the correct British and hence original spelling of defense.

LOL, if only that were so: the US use the French version with the S which comes from the Latin Defenso.

This time, the British changed the spelling from the original French, whereas, the Americans kept it.


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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Use of the piano came to a halt today when runaway memory killed my desktop PC. Memory usage would creep up and up and up until all memory was consumed and the PC would hang.

The solution was to uninstall AVG anti-virus. This was their app update that installed about eight days ago, and the virus definitions that installed last night.

After uninstalling AVG all is well.

Has anyone else suffered this problem lately?
Yes, I have had the same issue with AVG, Mac. I uninstalled and reverted to WD and have had no further issues. I can't really see any value in using Avast or AVG anymore - even though I used them successfully for about 20 years all up. When combined with your router's firewall, WD is sufficient protection for people who aren't looking too far off the beaten path.

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I’ve never used antivirus software and never caught computer viruses.

On my company provided Mac there was a company enforced McAffee which couldn’t be switched off. It used to hijack the CPU during important stuff, e.g. during an online presentation and not only I couldn’t share my screen, my entire computer was rendered useless... This happened way so often to so many people and our company ultimately removed that cr*p after so many complaints. It’s been replaced by some other solution though 😕

Unless you download pirated software or don’t know what you’re doing, you don’t need AV on your own computer.

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Not so. You do need an AV. But these days the in-built Windows Defender (formerly an inadequate solution) is now deemed to be all that you need. (I hope that what other deem adequate is indeed so. This is my first foray into MS's in-house protection.)

An undefended computer running on the open internet will be overtaken in minutes. Lacking an AV your only protection is the NAT service in your router. Nothing else stands between you and any hack trying to get in.

NAT is a powerful blockade. But while you and I are engaged in normal workday activity ... while you're inventing the Cybrid piano ... while I'm visiting with friends ... hackers are spending all their time finding ways to break down barriers. All the money in the world is there to be stolen. It's a powerful incentive.

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I've never met an OSX, Linux or Chromebook user who used antivirus :-) I certainly hope Window's is capable of protecting itself these days, otherwise it's sort of broken (compared to every other OS). Gone are the days when we plugged in a (dial up) modem, and we really were "on the internet".

Antivirus is only part of the problem. Also consider disk encryption (in case your computer is lost or stolen), avoiding untrusted networks (tether your phone instead), use long unique passwords everywhere (consider using a password manager), consider MFA where you can, backup your data (SSDs fail occasionally, I hear hackers may delete or encrypt your data), assume all emails are hostile, don't post pictures of your boarding pass online etc. I would also say avoid websites that need a login and don't support https, but erm.. :-)

I'm considering using Windows more myself again, just because Linux doesn't have the VSTi support. It still has various silly quirks, but I figure if Troy Hunt uses it, it must be at least reasonably secure these days.

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I use Windows Defender exclusively. There is no need for another AVS.


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May I add, it concerns me that we regularly present opinion as fact. I clearly have a bias, but I wouldn't say nobody needs AV. Are there any resources comparing these tools, with good research and analysis? Do they just scan exe files, or do they firewall and have other safe browsing features?

And we didn't really answer MacMacMac's question, "Has anyone else suffered this problem lately?" :-)

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@MartF: Perhaps the question hasn't been answered here. But I found it amply answered on AVG's own forum.
The conclusion there is that this is a widespread problem in a new release. Beware.

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Originally Posted by MartF
And we didn't really answer MacMacMac's question, "Has anyone else suffered this problem lately?" :-)

I had problems with different AV in the past so i decided to stick with the least annoying one which is also one of the best at the same time.


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