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#3029117 09/25/20 10:53 PM
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Hi. I can see 2 links in recording your piano section in the faq but both links give an error when I select them. I'm not sure how to report this issue or how to find this information.

One thread was How to Record your piano
The other was How to record your piano using zoom h4n

Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks


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MODERATORS --

He's right, the links in "Important Topics in the ADult Beginner's Forum" are broken.

Now, the original post is from 2007, so there may be better recording technology available.

. . ..But where did they go?


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Addressing a post to ‘Moderators’ will not get assistance. You need to use ‘report post’ function which is a drop-down option to the right of the post number.


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Unfortunately, the links went to a forum users blog which is now inactive. I’ll update the FAQ to remove them.


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Ok. Thanks for letting us know.


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Originally Posted by dogperson
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Addressing a post to ‘Moderators’ will not get assistance. You need to use ‘report post’ function which is a drop-down option to the right of the post number.

Thank you! An old brain, and a user interface one step too complicated . . . .


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Originally Posted by dogperson
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Addressing a post to ‘Moderators’ will not get assistance. You need to use ‘report post’ function which is a drop-down option to the right of the post number.

Thank you! An old brain, and a user interface one step too complicated . . . .

To the OP:

If you check the Shure website, you'll find one or two technical articles about recording pianos -- Google:

. . . shure.com recording piano


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If you want a quick way to record your piano, you can use your smartphone wink
With a bit of EQ, it can be decent if you don't have any microphone.


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Does anybody know if there is a difference in quality between audio recordings made in 'GarageBand' and ones made in 'Voice memo'.

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Originally Posted by treefrog
Does anybody know if there is a difference in quality between audio recordings made in 'GarageBand' and ones made in 'Voice memo'.

The initial audio will be the same since it uses the same raw signal from the iPhone mic.
However, in Garageband, you can record directly with effects applied to improve the quality and your audio signal will be ready to be treated.
I would use Garageband anytime in my case.
Except to record videos, I use the audio directly (but with a USB mic).


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Originally Posted by franke
Originally Posted by treefrog
Does anybody know if there is a difference in quality between audio recordings made in 'GarageBand' and ones made in 'Voice memo'.

The initial audio will be the same since it uses the same raw signal from the iPhone mic.
However, in Garageband, you can record directly with effects applied to improve the quality and your audio signal will be ready to be treated.
I would use Garageband anytime in my case.
Except to record videos, I use the audio directly (but with a USB mic).

Thanks Franke.

I was worried that 'memo recorder' may be reducing ambient noise.

I'll be using GarageBand for my next recording.

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Originally Posted by treefrog
Does anybody know if there is a difference in quality between audio recordings made in 'GarageBand' and ones made in 'Voice memo'.

"Voice memo" (unless you can control its recording parameters) is likely to use a different compression scheme than "Garage Band". If you use it, be _sure_ to set it up for the highest sample-rate, and lowest compression, that it has.

I don't know if "Garage Band" uses MP3 compression, or something else, or if it can record ".WAV" (uncompressed) audio. There's a simple rule to follow:

.. . . Less compression = better sound.


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Hi all. And thanks for the tips. I've tried my phone voice recorder but doesn't sound so great. My brother has a small audio recorder I hope to try in the next few weeks. I think he said it was an Olympia/Olympus one.

I've also been looking at the Zoom H1N that goes for about $160 Canadian in the local store.

I've read in the past about Shure Mic's. I'll have to take another look.
I never thought to try garage band. Not sure how great that would be with the ipad Mic but will try it.

Will keep you posted on how it goes.


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The Zoom recorders are very nice -- I have an old H4 that's given good service. The H1 isn't bad.

It helps to specify a budget, and to know whether you can use your computer for recording -- Garage Band might be just the ticket.

I'd probably spend some money on mic's (usually two, for stereo) and a small mixer with mic preamps. Even on a Mac, the built-in microphone is probably worse than (for example) a pair of Behringer C-2's. But the built-in mic would be a place to start.

Many of the Shure mics are expensive; the SM57 is a standard starting-point for musicians. If you might sing into it, an SM58 has the same cartridge, but better pop-and-hiss filtering, and is the mic you're most likely to find at your neighborhood bar.

Is this for your own use? If it's just to listen to your own mistakes, even a low-quality recording will tell you a lot.


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Hi Charles. Yes just for my own use. Just to track progress with learning and catching mistakes and improving. Wanted something quick and easy where I could record and save good results on computer. Hoping to not use my computer except for posting end results.

I’m not at the level of playing nor do I have the space for mixer and Elaborate setup.

I was looking at the Zoom H4 as well but even that seemed too advanced for what I need it for at this time. I may still consider this depending on results I get with the Olympus.

I should mention also I am recording an Acoustic grand piano. I’ve used a video reorder with some success but it was too much hassle to record and post afterwards.


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Just an ipad? I hear the pro models now have very decent microphones. plus, you can also use it to look at the score smile

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I have an older basic iPad. Almost bought a pro a few years back but the $1200 price was too much for me. But it still may sound better than my phone so will give it a shot using garage band. I don’t have an external mic though so it will be interesting to see how it sounds.


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Originally Posted by Charles Cohen
Originally Posted by treefrog
Does anybody know if there is a difference in quality between audio recordings made in 'GarageBand' and ones made in 'Voice memo'.

"Voice memo" (unless you can control its recording parameters) is likely to use a different compression scheme than "Garage Band". If you use it, be _sure_ to set it up for the highest sample-rate, and lowest compression, that it has.

I don't know if "Garage Band" uses MP3 compression, or something else, or if it can record ".WAV" (uncompressed) audio. There's a simple rule to follow:

.. . . Less compression = better sound.

That's right. By default the sound is compressed.
But, you can change that in your iPhone settings and choose lossless wink

In Garageband you can export your audio as WAV or AIFF or even Apple Lossless. All these 3 at 24-bit and 44.1 kHz.


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Zoe -- FWIW --

Since you have an iPad (or other Apple device), my suggestion:

. . . Start with that, using GarageBand (with minimal compression) and its built-in microphone.

Experiment with mic placement. The iPad electronics are probably fine, but the mic can certainly be improved.

If you aren't happy with the plain iPad results, investigate mics (both stereo and mono) that are "iPad-compatible". I don't know that market, but YouTube and Google will lead you to reviews and moderately-priced, reasonable-quality mics that will just plug in to the iPad.

Consider buying one or more mic stands, to get the microphones where you want them to be.

The next step up, in complexity and cost, is a rather steep one. It will get you involved with more-expensive mics, and mixers, and other stuff that you don't know about, and might not need.

Let us know what happens --


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Charles. I saw that there are some mics for iOS devices. Can’t remember for sure now but I believe from zoom for around $130 which is reasonable. I will try a few things and keep you posted. Thanks for all the ideas. I’ve seen other posts where folks are using zooms for recording as well so there is always the portable digital recorders as well.


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