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Schimmel K122 vs. Grand piano?
#3029018 09/25/20 05:37 PM
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Hi everyone,

I have been searching for a good used grand piano for a few months, without success. However, I came across a very nice upright, the Schimmel K122 48 inch version. It has Renner action, and plays beautifully.

A few questions:

1. It's a 1991 version, but has hardly been played (hammers in excellent condition). It is listed for $12,400 CAD. Do you think this is reasonable?

2. I notice that the action isn't quite the same as a grand, with the keys being easier to press down. Is this a function of the vertical nature of the hammers vs. the horizontal nature for a grand?

3. Do you think this would have reasonable re-sale value if I was to buy it now and potentially upgrade to a grand piano later on?

Thanks,
Alison

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To me this kind of feels you really want a grand, but are tired of searching, and therefore considering an upright.


Don't get me wrong, that's probably an upright to die for, but I think if you buy you might still want that grand. So... maybe it's best to have some more patience.

Even a fantastic upright is not a grand.

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alikat1234 #3029029 09/25/20 06:13 PM
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The resale market for premium uprights is fairly location dependent. Urban areas with a relatively high real estate cost, or lots of high rise apartments are usually stronger than other markets. In suburban areas, modest grands sell better than premium uprights where space isn't such a limiting factor.

Schimmel has done a good job with their brand recognition in North America, not just Europe, another positive factor when considering re-sale. They still make the K122, which also helps resale.

While you might find a grand you like better for similar money, you are unlikely to find a grand of similar quality for similar money. As far as local pricing goes and the exchange rate, I couldn't comment.


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Re: Schimmel K122 vs. Grand piano?
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I would expect a 1991 Schimmel to be a very good piano, as long as it has been taken care of. The fact that you reported that it plays beautifully says a lot about it. However, it's still a 30 year old piano and it is likely to need at least some maintenance and adjustment (for example, regulation & voicing) that should be taking into consideration before you make an offer.

Regarding the asking price itself, I think it's a bit high. If you look at Larry Fine's (pianobuyer.com) used piano depreciation schedule for a 30 year old piano in "better than average" condition, it would be worth about $10,500 CDN. And that assumes the piano is actually in "very good condition." If you are seriously considering this piano, have a technician inspect it before making an offer. This is always a good investment. The inspection will reveal anything that needs serious attention in the piano. And in any event it's educational for you.

Regarding the action, this is quite variable from piano to piano. In the big picture I would expect an upright action to be harder or stiffer than a grand action but it depends on so many factors it's not possible to make a blanket statement about verticals vs. grands.

As for resale value, IMHO you should not buy a piano as an investment or for it's potential future resale. You will likely be disappointed later on if you buy it with that intention today.

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I do not think a 30 year old 122 size Schimmel can compete with a new Kawai GX1 , or even a 20 year Yamaha C2 or Kawai grand. Everything depends on the condition of all the pianos involved.

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Originally Posted by pianosearcher
As for resale value, IMHO you should not buy a piano as an investment or for it's potential future resale. You will likely be disappointed later on if you buy it with that intention today.

That said, if this piano is being sold by a dealer, most dealers that I know of will guarantee 100% of your purchase price as a trade in value when you upgrade to another piano from them. (There are usually a few qualifications to that, such as the new piano costing at least twice the value of the old piano, that the old piano is in good condition and has been serviced at least once per year.) All bets are off if it's a private seller.

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Schimmel is a very good piano, and by the 90s the quality in German instruments was as high as it is today. The piano should be structurally sound but you should have it checked out.

Uprights usually feel a little more loose than grands in the key touch but they’re not functionally easier to play. Honestly if it’s a good upright there won’t be much of a problem adapting between that and a grand.

As for the price I’ve no idea. I don’t know the exchange rates or the market in your area. Don’t buy a piano for the resale value, buy it because it’s the right fit for your needs. There are too many variables in determining a pianos future resale value.

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Thanks so much for all the replies, it was very useful information. I am going to ask a few more questions about the piano today and look into getting a piano technician to look at it for me. Will likely also go play it agin. This will help inform my final decision.

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Originally Posted by Joseph Fleetwood
Schimmel is a very good piano, and by the 90s the quality in German instruments was as high as it is today. The piano should be structurally sound but you should have it checked out.

Uprights usually feel a little more loose than grands in the key touch but they’re not functionally easier to play. Honestly if it’s a good upright there won’t be much of a problem adapting between that and a grand.

As for the price I’ve no idea. I don’t know the exchange rates or the market in your area. Don’t buy a piano for the resale value, buy it because it’s the right fit for your needs. There are too many variables in determining a pianos future resale value.
Well in 30 years many things could have happened to that piano. Even a good model Schimmel can be ruined .I would have the piano fully checked out by a competent musician .

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Sorry I meant competent technician !!!

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Hence I suggested that Alison should have the piano checked out...

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Originally Posted by Joseph Fleetwood
Hence I suggested that Alison should have the piano checked out...
Yes I missed that you mentioned that.I certainly am not contradicting you Joe.You like terminaldegree are a performer and someone who knows a great deal more than I could ever know. Actually my knowledge and experience of Schimmel pianos is almost nil.
I do believe it is certainly to the OP's advantage to find out more about this Schimmel. The only thing I think which is questionable is whether she would be happy with an upright.
When I bought my piano I knew I wanted an upright (after owning a grand for many years.) and have no regrets.

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