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Anyone have experience with this model? How is the key weight? It is lighter than the grandtouch action they use in clp685/785?

I have enough budget to get either clp 785 or n1x, samples maybe better on 785 though as newer model?

I found the grandtouch far too heavy for my liking, and if n1x has similar downweight as a real grand around 50g that would be ideal.

Main concern with n1x is maintenance and whether it requires regular work to maintain as its a real action. 5 years down the line or whenever warranty ends the action may start showing signs of wear or parts need replacing etc.. As I presume the piano contains far more parts that can go wrong than for example a clp range piano.

Thanks

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Without going through the whole thread, as a previous owner of a CLP-685 who traded it in for an N1X, if you have the budget and action is important to you, skip the 785 and just get the N1X.

I'd actually guess it's the opposite in terms of service. The N1X appears to use standard parts from their C series grand pianos. Chances are those will exist far longer than the "digital action of the day" that goes in to the CLP-*85 series. Also, the number of moving parts aren't really that much fewer in the more complex digital actions. They just have smaller plastic parts instead of big wood ones. If you need regulation and repairs past the service window, there are more piano techs who will be able to work on the N1X action than the 785. Also, the Avant Grand models tend to stay around longer. The N1 was out for 10 years before it was refreshed, whereas the 685-785 was about what, 4 years?

Anyway, the thread JoBert mentioned is a great place to read about all our experiences with the N1X, but I thought you might appreciate a "nutshell" argument.


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Tested the down-weight of my N1X keys with a 50g calibration weight, even the higher end registers barely moved.

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So you're saying its a heavy action like the grandtouch?

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The down-weight of the N1X is estimated to be between 55-60g. The GrandTouch is probably beyond 70g.

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Just a note: Down weight is always measured with the key in motion (friction doesn't count) and with the dampers lifted by the pedal (so damper weight doesn't count either).

Once you put the correct amount of scale weight on the key, they key will stand still in perfect balance above the escapement. Once the hammer escaped, you measure the up weight.


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Originally Posted by Chrispy
The N1 was out for 10 years before it was refreshed, whereas the 685-785 was about what, 4 years?
The Clavinovas are replaced every 3 years exactly.

The 800 series will be out in 2023.

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Slightly off topic: N3 for sale @Pianomart for $8,895.

A little high, if you ask me, but perhaps it could be negotiated down to something closer to 6K?

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Pete: Don't say "perhaps it could be negotiated".
Instead say "I'm going to buy that piano for 6K."

You're past due for a better piano. Go for it!

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You’re right, Mac! I need to be more assertive.

As of lately some ‘round here have been taking advantage of my good and fragile nature.

Here I am, providing important feedback to Kawai; only to be ignored. How dare you?

From now on, Pete will not ask for validation; he will be assertive!

Screw the powers that be; the system will be overtaken; who’s with me? (That was rhetorical; the new Pete doesn’t need anyone to be “with him”; remember? He is now assertive)! grin


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