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To Upgrade competely, or to stack: VPC1+D1 versus MP11SE
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I love my little Korg D1, but I'd like Grand Feel (or something close) keys to it. I've been considering getting an MP11SE or a VPC1.

I live in a studio apartment, so space is limited. And money, of course, is always an issue.

Currently I have an K&M 18880 stand. My thought is this: Buy a stacker for the stand, and use the D1 for sound generation. I actually do like the Korg D1's sound, even if it isn't extremely high end. This would be $1,800 + $100.

Alternatively, I could get an MP11SE. A simpler setup, but the MP11SE is a massive beast. There'd be an extra 2 inches of overhang, (instead of 1 inch of overhand with the VPC1), and it'd cost an extra $1000. Given that I'm just a home player, I don't necessarily need all the bell's and whistles of the Korg D1.


On the otherhand, I live in a Studio apartment, and having two keyboards is a bit much. The MP11SE will already barely fit; I was planning on selling the Korg D1. And...I might have to upgrade my stand anyways. Eh, decisions, decisions!

Re: To Upgrade competely, or to stack: VPC1+D1 versus MP11SE
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The bigger problem right now is availability.

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Slightly off-topic.

I have been seeing that many people vouching for the Korg D1.
I can't comprehend it. Especially since the Keybed feels so different than for the Korg Kronos.


At some point I thought I knew why that is - one is having RH3 Keybed (Real Weighted Hammer Action 3) and one is having RH3 Graded Hammer Action.

When I was trying out the Korg D1, I always felt that the black keys weren't properly done. Always had note drops on the black keys, but never on the white.
Something that not even a cheap old Yamaha P45 did.
Can somebody give me some insight?

People think, the Korg D1 has the SAME keybed as the higher up Kronos, while it doesn't.

Re: To Upgrade competely, or to stack: VPC1+D1 versus MP11SE
nicknameTaken #3028451 09/24/20 06:07 AM
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Originally Posted by nicknameTaken
Slightly off-topic.

I have been seeing that many people vouching for the Korg D1.
I can't comprehend it. Especially since the Keybed feels so different than for the Korg Kronos.


At some point I thought I knew why that is - one is having RH3 Keybed (Real Weighted Hammer Action 3) and one is having RH3 Graded Hammer Action.

When I was trying out the Korg D1, I always felt that the black keys weren't properly done. Always had note drops on the black keys, but never on the white.
Something that not even a cheap old Yamaha P45 did.
Can somebody give me some insight?

People think, the Korg D1 has the SAME keybed as the higher up Kronos, while it doesn't.

I've never had note drops on the black keys or any sort of issues with them. Perhaps it's a bad unit?

Also, they do have the same action; just check the product pages.

https://www.korg.com/us/products/digitalpianos/d1/specifications.php
https://www.korg.com/us/products/synthesizers/kronos2/page_2.php

Both list: RH3 (Real Weighted Hammer Action 3) Keyboard as the action.

That said, I've heard people mention rumors that Korg has made unlisted improvements or modifications over the years to their RH3 keybed. It's also possible that the more expensive keyboards get better QC. The latter can potentially make a huge difference in certain products.

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Originally Posted by Narroo
Originally Posted by nicknameTaken
Slightly off-topic.

I have been seeing that many people vouching for the Korg D1.
I can't comprehend it. Especially since the Keybed feels so different than for the Korg Kronos.


At some point I thought I knew why that is - one is having RH3 Keybed (Real Weighted Hammer Action 3) and one is having RH3 Graded Hammer Action.

When I was trying out the Korg D1, I always felt that the black keys weren't properly done. Always had note drops on the black keys, but never on the white.
Something that not even a cheap old Yamaha P45 did.
Can somebody give me some insight?

People think, the Korg D1 has the SAME keybed as the higher up Kronos, while it doesn't.

I've never had note drops on the black keys or any sort of issues with them. Perhaps it's a bad unit?

Also, they do have the same action; just check the product pages.

https://www.korg.com/us/products/digitalpianos/d1/specifications.php
https://www.korg.com/us/products/synthesizers/kronos2/page_2.php

Both list: RH3 (Real Weighted Hammer Action 3) Keyboard as the action.

That said, I've heard people mention rumors that Korg has made unlisted improvements or modifications over the years to their RH3 keybed. It's also possible that the more expensive keyboards get better QC. The latter can potentially make a huge difference in certain products.

Well.
After 3 'defective' Korg D1, I just gave up. That was right after Korg D1 came out.

Re: To Upgrade competely, or to stack: VPC1+D1 versus MP11SE
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I've never had any problems with my D1. I find the keybed high quality, although a bit "stiff". For what it cost I think it's a very competent keyboard with an amazingly small footprint.

Nevertheless, I've just decided to upgrade to a MP11SE due to all the good stuff I've seen - and heard - about it. I got the Kawai today and it's in a totally different league as far as I can judge only playing it for a few hours. The key action is exactly what I was hoping for. And then some... wink


Peter
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Yamaha U1 / Kawai CS11 / Kawai MP11SE / Hammond XK-3c

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