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Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP-700 Series
9190 #3027869 09/22/20 12:31 PM
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I think the action in the AvantGrand N1X is based on the GB1/GB1K and I felt the 745 has a similar action to my N1X too smile


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Beowulf #3028063 09/22/20 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Beowulf
I think the action in the AvantGrand N1X is based on the GB1/GB1K and I felt the 745 has a similar action to my N1X too smile

Sounds great, interesting to hear!

So is the general consensus that among the new 700 series offerings, the 745 has the keyboard action that is most similar to an acoustic grand? Anyone have strong feelings either way on this? (I realize that there’s a fair amount of subjectivity...)

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Originally Posted by kamoji
Sounds great, interesting to hear!

So is the general consensus that among the new 700 series offerings, the 745 has the keyboard action that is most similar to an acoustic grand? Anyone have strong feelings either way on this? (I realize that there’s a fair amount of subjectivity...)
Yes, it is somewhat similar to a grand with lighter action.


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Originally Posted by kamoji
So is the general consensus that among the new 700 series offerings, the 745 has the keyboard action that is most similar to an acoustic grand? Anyone have strong feelings either way on this? (I realize that there’s a fair amount of subjectivity...)
Yes, amongst the 700 series the 745 is the closest. Then the 735/765, 785/795, and the furthest is the 775.

However none are as close as the Kawai CA79/CA99.

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Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP-700 Series
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My brief experience with the 745 was that it actually feels more piano-like to me than the high end Kawais - not including the ones with real actions obviously. I'm used to playing uprights though - so I couldn't tell you how it compares to grands.
The 745 felt more crisp and mechanical than the high end Kawai actions that feel a bit smoother / softer.
I absolutely loved the action on my VPC1 by the way.

If business is still good when the lease for my P125 is up I'll probably end up picking up a 745 for the office. Haven't tried the 735 - if the action feels similar I'll probably just do with that since I'll be playing with headphones on 99% of the time anyway. A slab would be even better :-)

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Originally Posted by Morten Olsson
My brief experience with the 745 was that it actually feels more piano-like to me than the high end Kawais -The 745 felt more crisp and mechanical than the high end Kawai actions that feel a bit smoother / softer.
I absolutely loved the action on my VPC1 by the way.

I feel the same way when comparing the NWX (P-515) to the GF action.
I also loved the MP-10 and the VPC-1 action (similar action, but VPC-1 adds one sensor).

It’s as if Kawai decided to make their newer actions kid-friendly (extra-light, bouncy, and fluffy); whereas, Yamaha is making actions for adults! whistle

Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP-700 Series
9190 #3028112 09/23/20 05:17 AM
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There's a disparity of about 500€ between the 745 and the 775 here. Given the current situation, there's no shop that'd allow me to test them side by side so I have a clear idea of the actual differences, so I'll likely have to go by what people seem to think overall.

My long term plan is to get a grand piano, buying this digital as a stopgap between a cheap slab and that one. Given that I'll be using it for at least some 5+ years, I'd like to buy something that won't feel cheap and that will accompany me as I improve my playing (only been playing for a year and change).

This being said, would a 500€ difference between the two make it worth waiting an extra month or two to buy it?

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9190 #3028114 09/23/20 05:24 AM
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I found very easy to play near the fallboard on the 745.
I believe that it's true for all 700 series.
Another reason to not spend so much in a higher priced key action 775/785
How do you guys compare the new Grandtouch S, on the 745, with Pha50 from roland?!

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What is the problem with the keys getting a little heavier near the fallboard?

I don’t mind this because I’m not needing to play everything close to the fallboard.

Just like when I go for a walk: most of the terrain is flat, yet sometimes I hit a little incline and my legs simply adjust and push a little harder (automatically); promptly the terrain levels, and yet again, it’s back to strolling ‘round the park. If the entire walk was one huge -never ending- incline, I’d have a bit of a problem.

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For me, a not trained pianist, makes the life much easier...
I believe for those who have trained hands and eyes, these things doesn't bother so much.

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We already had a "Does the pivot length matter" war here: http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthre...ion-thread-lets-do-this.html#Post3021267

It wasn't the right place for it. Maybe this one is better. But is there really anything new to say?

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Otavio #3028167 09/23/20 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Otavio
How do you guys compare the new Grandtouch S, on the 745, with Pha50 from roland?!

I would be interested in this comparison too. (Preferred PHA50s precision and repetition a tiny bit over NWX and both a lot against old GrandTouch) Perhaps You should start a new thread?

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You prefer the PHA50 over Roland's 'Hybrid Grand' action?

The 745 has a lighter action than the Hybrid Grand, but if Roland release a $1,500 slab with Hybrid Grand it will sell like hot cakes.

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Master class on jazz improvisation is taking place at the moment, you can compare the sound Yamaha CFX and Yamaha CLP785.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaoeT65S1RU

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Sorry, I haven't played yet Roland's newer "Grand Hybrid". I meant Yamahas older "GrandTouch" (CLP Series 6...)

A successor of FP90 with that new action might be interesting, but to my opinion they would also have to improve the FP90s synthetic modeled sound - too artifical and somewhat metallic to my ears.

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Originally Posted by Tozen
Yeah, waiting is difficult. Initially, the 785 was supposed to come out later in the year while the rest of the 700 line was supposed to get shipped in late summer. With the delays, the 700 shipments seem to be now scheduled to closer to the time that the 785 was supposed to be available.

I am not sure how to interpret this. On one hand, maybe everything will just come in the same window? On the other, is it possible that the slowed production will spill over into the 785 as well?

Most online retailers in the US are saying "estimated ship date, November" for all models. Until I hear otherwise, that is probably the best guess anyone has.

I think you're right there. There are very FEW CLP-785 demos (Youtube). Heaps of 735/745/775 - but pretty much zero 785.

In talking with Yamaha the Indonesian production line is obviously seriously affected.

In reading the responses above, no one has said they've put an order in for one, other than my mate Burkie (who ordered the 745).

Patiently, i continue to wait! <hahaha!>

Are you going to order yourself one Tozen?

Take care.
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foxy.au #3028400 09/23/20 11:19 PM
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Yeah, I ordered a 745. I'm pretty excited about it! I would have loved to have been able to get a higher model, but it's not in the budget right now. I love awesome speaker systems! I'm hopeful that the 745 will be good enough though, and I plan to practice with headphones most of the time anyways. smile

But to encourage you, remember that the 785 isn't technically late yet. It wasn't supposed to be out. So, the lack of demos and stuff is pretty consistent with what would have happened anyways.

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Originally Posted by Tozen
Yeah, I ordered a 745. I'm pretty excited about it! I would have loved to have been able to get a higher model, but it's not in the budget right now. I love awesome speaker systems! I'm hopeful that the 745 will be good enough though, and I plan to practice with headphones most of the time anyways. smile

But to encourage you, remember that the 785 isn't technically late yet. It wasn't supposed to be out. So, the lack of demos and stuff is pretty consistent with what would have happened anyways.


Hey, Tozen CONGRATS on the 745 my friend! That is awesome mate! Great to hear! The 745 is indeed an fantastic unit. I've read every review I have about it. My mate Burkie has purchased one as well ( he particularly liked the lighter keyboard action ) having had the ability to compare all of them ( including the 785 ) in Singapore.

Plus, yes, absolutely makes sense why there isn't any consumer reviews out there, because as you said, the 785 was always going to come later. :-) Makes perfect sense!

Still super excited here and counting down the days for it to arrive! :-)


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I ordered a white 745 today. I hope it arrives in November but at the moment no one realy knows...
It will cost 2400$ incl. Tax and shipping. This is in Switzerland.

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[quote=Tozen]Hey, Tozen CONGRATS on the 745 my friend!

Thanks! It should be fun.

On a different note, for those interested in the 775, this new video from Rimmers Music just came up in my YouTube feed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HqjSAums9s

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