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Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP-700 Series
kailord #3026677 09/19/20 08:26 AM
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I think both the Kawai NV5 and NV10 have actual acoustic damper setups - different weight with the pedal down vs up.

However I think this added complexity actually slows down their speed and enjoyment of learning. I.e. they have to learn two different weightings and how to switch between them whilst playing.

This is actually an advantage of digital pianos that don't suffer from this design limitation - it wasn't a design choice made by acoustic designers: they just couldn't avoid it.

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Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP-700 Series
kamoji #3026689 09/19/20 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by kamoji
MY DILEMMA

I’m deciding between the 735 ($2699) and the 745 ($3499). As far as I can tell, the $800 more for the 745 gets you 4 things:

1. Wooden white keys (same keytops, same black keys)
2. Speakers: 735 has 60 W total (2 x 30 W), 745 has 200 W total (2 x (25 W + 25 W))
3. Built-in bluetooth
4. Page holders: plastic in 735, metal in 745

Several people have been asking about the 735 over the last few pages.

One thing I discovered tonight was the keys on the 735 are heavier than the keys on the 745.

On the 735 I measured A0 to be 67/68 grams, versus 62/63 grams on the 745.

This is a 5th reason why the 745 is better than the 735.

Also with #2 - it's not really the increased power output but instead the sound responsiveness across the frequency spectrum that makes the 745's speakers better. User 'kailord' commented on this in more detail in an earlier post.

If you want a cheap alternative, go with the $500 P-125 - it has a better key weighting than the 735. Otherwise spend the extra on the 745 - I doubt you would ever regret it.

Originally Posted by kamoji
Anyone have any luck on negotiating pricing for the 700 series?
They gave me such a good price (USD $2,100 for the 745) that I paid the full amount on the spot. No need to waste time haggling - take my money!

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Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP-700 Series
Burkey #3026692 09/19/20 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Burkie
Originally Posted by kamoji
MY DILEMMA

I’m deciding between the 735 ($2699) and the 745 ($3499). As far as I can tell, the $800 more for the 745 gets you 4 things:

1. Wooden white keys (same keytops, same black keys)
2. Speakers: 735 has 60 W total (2 x 30 W), 745 has 200 W total (2 x (25 W + 25 W))
3. Built-in bluetooth
4. Page holders: plastic in 735, metal in 745

Several people have been asking about the 735 over the last few pages.

One thing I discovered tonight was the keys on the 735 are heavier than the keys on the 745.

On the 735 I measured A0 to be 67/68 grams, versus 62/63 grams on the 745.

This is a 5th reason why the 745 is better than the 735.

Also with #2 - it's not really the increased power output but instead the sound responsiveness across the frequency spectrum that makes the 745's speakers better. User 'kailord' commented on this in more detail in an earlier post.

If you want a cheap alternative, go with the $500 P-125 - it has a better key weighting than the 735. Otherwise spend the extra on the 745 - I doubt you would ever regret it.

Originally Posted by kamoji
Anyone have any luck on negotiating pricing for the 700 series?
They gave me such a good price (USD $2,100 for the 745) that I paid the full amount on the spot. No need to waste time haggling - take my money!

Thanks for the info. Too bad we don’t all live in Singapore, as $2,100 US is a crazy good deal!

(Btw, I’ve been to Singapore several times and have always loved it. I almost moved there years ago, actually, but it fell through...)

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Burkie, where did you buy the 745 by the way? Interested to know smile Am in the market for 745 too.

Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP-700 Series
noakim #3026726 09/19/20 11:12 AM
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Burkie, where did you buy the 745 by the way? Interested to know smile Am in the market for 745 too.
Yamaha Music (Asia), there are a dozen stores across Singapore. Their sale of free dust cover, headphones, and $50 discount, ends tomorrow (Sep. 20th).

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Originally Posted by Burkie
They gave me such a good price (USD $2,100 for the 745) that I paid the full amount on the spot. No need to waste time haggling - take my money!

Small difference but thought it was about S$3100 = US$2280 with $50 discount already accounted for? Maybe the headphones justify the piano to be US$2240 but not sure what value I would put to a dust cover ...

Certainly beat CA79 of US$3600 in pricing. I have decided to buy neither but it was a good learning experience updating myself what's in the market. Appreciate all the inputs from forummers !

Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP-700 Series
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Originally Posted by kailord
Originally Posted by Burkie
They gave me such a good price (USD $2,100 for the 745) that I paid the full amount on the spot. No need to waste time haggling - take my money!

Small difference but thought it was about S$3100 = US$2280 with $50 discount already accounted for?
USD $2,100 + tax (which varies country to country, and state to state - in Singapore it's 7%, in Australia it's 10%). In the US they generally compare prices pre-tax, and I agree they are correct, that's the best way to compare prices between geographies.

And yes, I deducted the $50 discount.

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Originally Posted by Burkie
Originally Posted by kamoji
MY DILEMMA

I’m deciding between the 735 ($2699) and the 745 ($3499). As far as I can tell, the $800 more for the 745 gets you 4 things:

1. Wooden white keys (same keytops, same black keys)
2. Speakers: 735 has 60 W total (2 x 30 W), 745 has 200 W total (2 x (25 W + 25 W))
3. Built-in bluetooth
4. Page holders: plastic in 735, metal in 745

Several people have been asking about the 735 over the last few pages.

One thing I discovered tonight was the keys on the 735 are heavier than the keys on the 745.

On the 735 I measured A0 to be 67/68 grams, versus 62/63 grams on the 745.

This is a 5th reason why the 745 is better than the 735.

Also with #2 - it's not really the increased power output but instead the sound responsiveness across the frequency spectrum that makes the 745's speakers better. User 'kailord' commented on this in more detail in an earlier post.
I visited another Yamaha store and confirmed this key weight difference between the 745 and 735.

I also noticed a 6th important difference between these two models:

The 745 has a music rest that is one octave wider than that of the 735. That's 16.5 cm (6.5 inches) wider.

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Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP-700 Series
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Music rests have always been bigger on the x45/x75 models than the x35.


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I guess we have a new obsession: who has the longest music rest?

Go ahead, whip out your rulers and go to work; we want those measurements now!

Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP-700 Series
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Originally Posted by Pete14
I guess we have a new obsession: who has the longest music rest?

Go ahead, whip out your rulers and go to work; we want those measurements now!

Sorry Pete14 I'm too shy.


All these years playing and I still consider myself a novice.
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9190 #3027115 09/20/20 10:50 AM
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...but EPW, you need to overcome your shyness and put that rusty ruler to work!

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Pete14 #3027227 09/20/20 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete14
I guess we have a new obsession: who has the longest music rest?

Go ahead, whip out your rulers and go to work; we want those measurements now!

Kawai ES-100/110: 23.5" or just below 60 cm.

Okay, it was probably a joke and this should be a separate topic, but it's a thing: lower end models have narrower music rests. Kawai has done it too at least with the CN27 vs. CN37. Feels like completely artificial product differentation.

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To think that still, in this day and age, Kawai is using short/narrow music rests for their digital pianos is unacceptable!

Everybody knows that long and robust music rests aid in playability (it’s easier to play obliquely around the edges), yet Kawai, in order to save some bucks, is giving us itty-bitty rests.....

Shame on you, Kawai!

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Pete14 #3027378 09/21/20 07:56 AM
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The NV10 has an extremely large music rest though.


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We are sick! laugh

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Originally Posted by Pete14
We are sick! laugh

So use the Music Rest to Rest on. LOL


All these years playing and I still consider myself a novice.
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Originally Posted by PlayerkaN

Thanks for that link, it's the first clear picture of the keyboard being played I've seen. Looking at the angle the keys make when they're depressed, the pivot point is probably around 21-22cm from the end of the white key. Shorter than I hoped frown

Guess you have to pay up to get the longer non-S Grandtouch.

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