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Bach, Mozart and Beethoven are not greater. Sorry.

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Originally Posted by chopinetto
Bach, Mozart and Beethoven are not greater. Sorry.

So what is the point of your post?


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Chopinetto has done this before; at best, it's baseless opinion (to which the OP is entitled); at worst, it's trolling.

For example, from April of this year, Chopinetto writes:

Chopin doesn't belong with Bach, Mozart, Beethoven and Liszt. His writing contains the pianistic ability of Liszt with the emotional depth of the other three. He exists alone at the top.


... and the discussion (argument?) goes on ...

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Originally Posted by BruceD
[i]Chopin doesn't belong with Bach, Mozart, Beethoven and Liszt. His writing contains the pianistic ability of Liszt with the emotional depth of the other three. He exists alone at the top.


Yes... and I challenge ANYONE to refute this................................

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Looks like religion or worshipping, cant discuss dogmatic beliefs.... but if that makes you happy !


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Stating your favorite composer is the best is as useless as contending the piano brand you prefer is the best in the world.

Both laughable and both useless as a discussion.
I hope no one takes the bait.


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Originally Posted by chopinetto
Bach, Mozart and Beethoven are not greater. Sorry.
Inane.

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Just a few days ago, I sightreaded through the book of Mazurkas, and I've found that half of them are completely uninteresting, almost "shitty" pieces (probably just made for some "easy" money).
I never played too much Chopin. He has great pieces, no discussion. But I think if there is any composer kind of brutally "overhyped" in public meaning, it would be Chopin.
My mother who is the person who listen to lots of classical music, she can't stand Chopin. She finds his music way too kitschy.
And I am pretty bored by that too. Often same harmonical modulations... - this half tone, chromatic descending modulation, for example. Nice, but boring when you hear it for 10th times in different piece.
Well... I always say - great about piano is that we have such a repertoir that we can always choose. Poor french horn virtuosos who have to play 3 concerts and 2 sonatas for the whole life...

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that's what i thought.....

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Originally Posted by chopinetto
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[i]Chopin doesn't belong with Bach, Mozart, Beethoven and Liszt. His writing contains the pianistic ability of Liszt with the emotional depth of the other three. He exists alone at the top.


Yes... and I challenge ANYONE to refute this................................

Symphonies? Operas? String quarters?

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Originally Posted by Sweelinck
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[i]Chopin doesn't belong with Bach, Mozart, Beethoven and Liszt. His writing contains the pianistic ability of Liszt with the emotional depth of the other three. He exists alone at the top.


Yes... and I challenge ANYONE to refute this................................

Symphonies? Operas? String quartets?
Other chamber works? Small and large scale choral works? Lieder? And the list goes on...........


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Originally Posted by chopinetto
Bach, Mozart and Beethoven are not greater. Sorry.

They are.

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Of course they are right.


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Lord have mercy lol. Just enjoy them all

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If Chopin's greatness arises from his propelling keyboard technique and composition forward, then we would have to consider Buxtehude to have been as great of a composer. That is more a suggestion that Buxtehude is underrated than Chopin is overrated.

But we can rest assured that Chopin did not choose to compose his preludes in every major and minor key as a tribute to Bach because he considered Bach to be an inferior composer.

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If there was only one composer I could listen to for the rest of eternity, it would be he!

His Ballades, Nocturnes and Preludes are already on endless repeat, with a bit of Rach, Scriabin and Saint-Saens sprinkled in.

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False.

Bach is superior in every way. Sorry.

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Chronologically, I think my top 8 are:

Bach
Handel
Mozart
Beethoven
Schubert
Mendelssohn
Brahms
Stravinsky

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