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Damper Resonance BUG Kawai ES 110
#3027122 09/20/20 11:05 AM
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Hello everyone, as a begynner player i learn and hear more everyday. Lately i have noticed that my sustain pedal acts weird compared to Acoustic piano. For example Sustain Pedal fully depressed, hit C2, release sustain pedal fully and press it again, i still can hear the note, not as loud ofc. Real acoustic piano would mute it right away (i have tested). So after i hit C2 i can repress sustain pedal up and down 3-4 times before sound will 100% muted. In my Manual of Kawai ES 110 i found that it can be function called Damper Resonance. I wanted to test if it will change anything in damping sound so i went through low, mid(default), high, off functions, but it didn't work! It was 0 difference when i was switching between modes. So i can say for sure that this function doesn't work on my digitalpiano. Not that i need that function at all, just i dont want hear notes that were played before current bar. Its fine on more slower pieces but once i get to 10++ notes per second it sounds really bad. I tried to factory reset and full power off piano, didnt help.
Maybe i change pedal too quickly but still repress 3-4 times and still hear the sound is not cool. Tried my best to explain if u didnt understand due to my English please let me know i will try to explain better.

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If I understand correctly, you're saying that the sustain pedal doesn't kill the sound fast enough if you re-pedal quickly? I believe that is normal, and you should be able to "catch" a sustained note, particularly in the bass, if you re-pedal quickly.

How strong this effect is may depend on various settings and functions of your DP. Check if you have a half-pedal capable pedal (not sure what the ES-110 comes with in your country), which will allow you to manually control this better. Also check if the DP has a pedal height setting, which you may want increase.

Damper Resonance doesn't affect the re-pedal timing. What you should hear with that setting is a subtle bloom of other keys sounding out in the background when you strike a note with the super pedal down (versus without the pedal.

Good luck!


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Yeah you understood correctly Gombessa. My sustain pedal has half pedalling, half pedalling too difficult for me yet unless i play slow pieces . I guess im pedalling too fast then, just is how i used on acoustic piano. Possible that my pedalling technique is still low. But why cant it be exactly the same like on acoustic piano i dont get it. Also it doesn't matter which key C6 is the same story. I cant adjust pedal height, unless is as hard as to take it apart and do something inside it.

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makentoxpiano #3027143 09/20/20 12:09 PM
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That is (apparently) how acoustic grand pianos behave and your Kawai emulates an acoustic grand piano.

Maybe it depends on the piano size and therefore string length and mass. On a small piano the dampers might damp the strings more efficiently. On large ones it takes a while.

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makentoxpiano #3027147 09/20/20 12:23 PM
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This is called re-pedaling and is how acoustic pianos work. If you don’t like it, there are literally millions of VST-s that behave as you expect it to although I’m not sure why you would want it.

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Originally Posted by CyberGene
This is called re-pedaling and is how acoustic pianos work. If you don’t like it, there are literally millions of VST-s that behave as you expect it to although I’m not sure why you would want it.
Well the problem is i still can hear notes from last bar (measure) i already played on next bar. When this happens it sounds like out of tune when notes starting to mix in wrong way, it happens on fast pieces mostly. Also my friend who has more expensive digital piano has checked and apparently you still can repress pedal multiple times but he has demping resonance option and when he turned it off it helped a lot. Notes were muted much quicker.

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As others said, damper resonance has nothing to do with the re-pedaling feature which is just like a big acoustic grand piano should behave.

I don't think you can disable the re-pedaling. But you can just wait a little bit more before pressing the pedal again. This should do the trick.

What type of acoustic piano you played on? An upright or a grand piano?

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makentoxpiano #3027238 09/20/20 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by makentoxpiano
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This is called re-pedaling and is how acoustic pianos work. If you don’t like it, there are literally millions of VST-s that behave as you expect it to although I’m not sure why you would want it.
Well the problem is i still can hear notes from last bar (measure) i already played on next bar. When this happens it sounds like out of tune when notes starting to mix in wrong way, it happens on fast pieces mostly. Also my friend who has more expensive digital piano has checked and apparently you still can repress pedal multiple times but he has demping resonance option and when he turned it off it helped a lot. Notes were muted much quicker.

Congratulations. You got a digital piano and it's helping you with learning proper technique. So it's time to learn proper pedaling then. Ask your teacher.

What you are most likely doing is lifting the pedal on "1". And doing that, the notes from the previous measures continue to sound as they should.

Done correctly the pedal is lifted right before the end of the previous measure (on "and") with your finger legato and the natural reverb of the acoustic piano binding the notes together. You don't push the pedal down again until right after the first beat.


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makentoxpiano #3027246 09/20/20 05:20 PM
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If the continued resonance is as obvious as he is describing I'm guessing there might be a problem with his damper pedal. I wonder if its compatible with the ES 110.

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There are various ways to use the sustain pedal.

"Lifting on 1" or right after key down in general is a perfectly valid one. (I.e. the "legato pedal". Apparently not used in very old piano music.)

Then there are other perfectly valid ones too. Some might be just for triggering the resonances and not for any legato effect.

Finger legato doesn't always work as we have only 10 fingers.

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