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#3026180 09/17/20 10:44 PM
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Hi,
I am interested in a Kawai CP 175 in the mahogony cabinet.

It has not been used much at all.

Is $1600 a good price?

Thanks!

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The last CP models CP1, CP2 and CP3 were new in 2015 or so.

So, the CP-175 is a bit older. It even has a floppy disk drive. wink

The main selling point would be the "entertainment features" i.e. hundreds of sounds and the auto-accompaniment, if you have any use for those.

It does have wooden keys too, the old "AWA Pro" action, a reasonable polyphony of 128 notes and apparently some "Sympathetic Resonance" too, but I don't know exactly which Kawai's sound engine it has. Probably some old one like "Harmonic Imaging", so it could be quite similar to a brand new Kawai ES-110. Not that I really know though.

It's sort of "big old and obsolete", so the first question is do you want it? Then if you do, how badly?

You'll have plenty of options at $1600 even for brand new digital pianos with basic features. (And e.g. Roland offers auto-accompaniment via a mobile app.)

I think in Euros, but I don't think I'd spend $1600 on it.

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It's at least 15 years old as a model.

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gebohmusic #3026258 09/18/20 05:31 AM
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Originally Posted by gebohmusic
Hi,
I am interested in a Kawai CP 175 in the mahogony cabinet.

It has not been used much at all.

Is $1600 a good price?
No, $1600 for that old relic from 17-18 years ago, IMHO, is like getting you robbed.
An ES110 sounds much MUCH better than that antique and it costs less than the half that price, brand NEW!

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Originally Posted by gebohmusic
Hi,
I am interested in a Kawai CP 175 in the mahogony cabinet.

It has not been used much at all.

Is $1600 a good price?

Thanks!

A "good price" is measured by what other people paid, but there is no "used market" for arranger pianos, so there is no prices. Old gear like this usually changes owner in exchange of a few hundred bucks, but not over thousand. Buyers are mostly interested in a nice looking piece of furniture.

(Just ignore those newbies posting an entry-level plastic slab sounds better than an Kawai CP series. It doesn't.)


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gebohmusic #3026282 09/18/20 07:10 AM
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The entry-level ES110 main piano patch sounds MILES BETTER than that old relic main piano sound. That's an objective fact. And I'm not talking about speakers... I'm talking about the quality of the samples, their length, the number of layers, the resonance effects, etc.

And if you are interested in the wooden keys of the CP-175 or you are interested in its arranger capabilities, then I think for that price (or slightly more) today there are much better choices of brand new products or great deals on used products of max 2-3 years, not 15+ years old. And, personally, I wouldn't trust the reliability of mechanics & electronics of such an old keyboard action, whatever wood or plastic keys. Even if you just need a MIDI controller with wooden key action, again, there are better choices in the "< $2000" price range.

(Recently, there is a certain user on this forum that likes to offend me "the newbie / the fool / etc." every 2 posts for nothing. Don't worry, he is not a bad guy. Just ignore its rudeness and lack of friendliness.)

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Originally Posted by magicpiano
An ES110 sounds much MUCH better than that antique and it costs less than the half that price, brand NEW!

Have you heard/played a CP-175?

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clothearednincompo #3026469 09/18/20 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by clothearednincompo
Originally Posted by magicpiano
An ES110 sounds much MUCH better than that antique and it costs less than the half that price, brand NEW!

Have you heard/played a CP-175?
Played no. But you can listen to it, there are some demos on the uk kawai site of the CP-175 (or its successor, I don't remember) in the archive pages. Its main piano samples are what the ES110 has as its second main piano patch. I have it too on my CN37 as its 4th main piano patch (it's called "Standard Grand" on my DP), so I know well how it sounds. It's a very old piano sound patch from Kawai, and I feel it has just 1 velocity layer for key, with the other velocities all derived with just a low-pass filter. It sounds decent if played in a mix (for pop music), because it's very very bright (brighter than a Yamaha bright piano patch!), but the lack of layers make it sound very low quality from mp down to ppp, especially in the central octaves, where it sounds like a piano sound from an old radio.
Ok, if you are interested more in the arranger part of the instrument, then you can have some fun with it... But IMHO $1600 is too much for such an old DP.

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Yeah, the "Standard Grand" is pretty insignificant and obsolete.

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Originally Posted by magicpiano
Originally Posted by clothearednincompo
Originally Posted by magicpiano
An ES110 sounds much MUCH better than that antique and it costs less than the half that price, brand NEW!

Have you heard/played a CP-175?
Played no. But you can listen to it, there are some demos on the uk kawai site of the CP-175 (or its successor, I don't remember) in the archive pages. Its main piano samples are what the ES110 has as its second main piano patch.
That is again just false information.

The CP-175 features Harmonic Imaging with a Kawai EX sample, which happens to be the main piano patch of the ES110. However the ES110 32 MB sample memory only features a single layer of that EX, while the CP-175 features over 1.000 voices from plenty of sample memory. Which is the difference between a low-budget boombox and a high-end product.

So you are just spreading BS on this thread since it started.


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The CP155 sound samples are here: https://www.kawai.co.uk/products/archive/cp155/

It was a parallel model to the CP175 missing some features.

The only piano sound demo they have sounds like the "Standard Grand" as it appears on some models or the "Grand Piano 2" as it appears on the ES-110. So, it's not the main piano patch of the ES-110.

As for layers or sample ROM size and such on the CP-175, how would anyone know?

Having over 1000 voices doesn't say anything about the layers on the main piano voice.

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Originally Posted by JoeT
That is again just false information.

The CP-175 features Harmonic Imaging with a Kawai EX sample, which happens to be the main piano patch of the ES110. However the ES110 32 MB sample memory only features a single layer of that EX, while the CP-175 features over 1.000 voices from plenty of sample memory. Which is the difference between a low-budget boombox and a high-end product.

So you are just spreading BS on this thread since it started.
I have to say, you are a very funny guy.

But I will not allow to spread false informations (and accusations), because YOU are the misinformed here!

The ES110 has 2 main piano sounds. The first is the same EX ConcertGrand Kawai uses from 10+ years on most of their instruments (in the last years the SK-EX ConcertGrand took its place as the first main piano sound, but the ES110 doesn't have it). The second is an old piano patch (always sampled from an EX but it has a completely different sound timbre) from about 17 years ago. The CP175 has just this old piano patch as its main piano sound and it sounds very dated.

Summarizing: the main piano sound of the CP175 is exactly the second main piano sound of the ES110. The engine is the same, so the number of layers is the same (IMHO: 1 layer).

The CP175 could even have millions of sounds, but it remains a product from 15+ years ago, with a digital piano sound from 17 years ago that now sounds very dated.

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Originally Posted by clothearednincompo
[...]Having over 1000 voices doesn't say anything about the layers on the main piano voice.
Exactly.


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