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Note value on the piano
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I am trying to teach myself the rudiments of mucic theory. How do piano players express the difference in note value when playing? For example, how would they show the difference between a crotchet and a minim? Is it just a matter waiting slightly longer before striking the next note? So the small pause after playing a minim would be twice the length of the pause after playing a crotchet. Or, is there another way of producing notes of different duration on the piano? Thanks for any assistance.

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Surely, it's the number you can stuff into into one beat? 2 or 4 per beat. Give or take the key signature.

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There is not a pause between notes; the note is held for the length of time indicated in the score and then the next note is played for the time value indicated in the score. The note value changing does not create a space between notes.


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"Note value" shows basically how long a piano key must be held down. The piano key of a minim must be held down twice longer than the key of a crotchet.

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Originally Posted by erikvonde
I am trying to teach myself the rudiments of mucic theory. How do piano players express the difference in note value when playing? For example, how would they show the difference between a crotchet and a minim? Is it just a matter waiting slightly longer before striking the next note? So the small pause after playing a minim would be twice the length of the pause after playing a crotchet. Or, is there another way of producing notes of different duration on the piano? Thanks for any assistance.
You need to start counting beats aloud and regularly.

"One, two, three, four" for each of four crotchets in a bar in common time (4/4). A minim would hold for a count of two. And so on.


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Iaroslav Vasiliev #3025699 09/16/20 03:42 PM
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Thanks very much for the replies. Iaroslav, is this due to mechanics of the piano? If you hold a key down the struck piano wire resonates for as long as the key is down? Then when you release the key the piano wire is damped. Is this correct?

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erikvonde #3025705 09/16/20 03:58 PM
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Thanks very much for the replies. Iaroslav, is this due to mechanics of the piano? If you hold a key down the struck piano wire resonates for as long as the key is down? Then when you release the key the piano wire is damped. Is this correct?

Correct.

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erikvonde #3025782 09/16/20 07:16 PM
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Thanks to everyone. I think I've got the idea now. I'm sure I'll be back with something equally inane in the near future.

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erikvonde #3025802 09/16/20 08:54 PM
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The "holding the key down" part may give an incomplete idea, though generally correct.

If a note is 2 beats long (half note or minim) then that note must sound for the two beats. If you count 1 - 2 - 3 - 4, it starts at 1 and stops just as you say 3. The sound is created by a hammer hitting the strings of that note due to you pressing down the key. When you press the piano key, two things happen: The hammer is sent flying, and the damper is lifted from the strings of that note. When the hammer strikes the strings, they begin to vibrate, and continue vibrating, because of the lifted damper. When you release the piano key, the damper falls back on the strings. They stop vibrating and the sound stops.

however the dampers can also be raised using the right damper pedal. This is another way of prolonging a note. If the pedal is holding up the damper after you release your hand from the piano key, then you stop the sound by releasing the pedal. Learning to pedal properly, not to muddy sound or have "hiccups" takes coordination and guidance, so it may not be for now. But it may be good to know about this even at the beginning.

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Think of how you would hum a tune.

Take for instance, 'Twinkle, twinkle, little star'.

Tap your fingers 1 - 4 in rhythm on your leg, e.g 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 ...etc.

Now hum 'Twinkle, twinkle little star to that beat', in time to your fingers at a speed where the phrase "twinkle, twinkle' takes 4 beats.

Notice how each syllable has one beat until you get to the word 'star' which takes up 2 beats, and again with the word 'are'.

When humming it, you wouldn’t have a pause. You would prolong the 'star' for two beats and it’s the same with a piano.

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Reading the responses, and the first post:

. . . This thread could better be titled "Note _duration_".


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Well almost.
If you keep the key pressed for long enough, the sound will fade out.
Because the string vibration amplitude will decay over time.
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