2017 was our 20th year online!

Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 3 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

Shop our online store for music lovers
SEARCH
Piano Forums & Piano World
(ad)
Wessell Nickel & Gross
PianoForAll
(ad)
Best of Piano Buyer
 Best of Piano Buyer
(ad)
Faust Harrison Pianos
Faust Harrison 100+ Steinway pianos
Who's Online Now
46 members (BrokenSymmetry, 1957, Bett, Auraltuner, Alexander Acosta, calenadariel, accordeur, Burkey, 14 invisible), 370 guests, and 396 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
(ad)
Estonia Pianos
Estonia Pianos
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Hop To
Which piano brand is better for beginner?
#3025554 09/16/20 09:49 AM
Joined: Sep 2020
Posts: 6
R
Renee14 Offline OP
Junior Member
OP Offline
Junior Member
R
Joined: Sep 2020
Posts: 6
Hello, want to ask your opinion to choose the upright piano for beginner, that will have longlast with their same tune? *Even with same care and use.
How about Ritmuller 118 (new), Yamaha u1(used), or Kawai(used)?
Is anybody had an old Ritmuller?
I am quite fond of Ritmuller because with the same price, i got the new one, but I'm afraid that it is made in China, is it a good one?

Thank you

(ad)
Piano & Music Accessories
piano accessories music gifts tuning and moving equipment
Re: Which piano brand is better for beginner?
Renee14 #3025570 09/16/20 10:30 AM
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 5,950
5000 Post Club Member
Offline
5000 Post Club Member
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 5,950
In theory, any of those pianos should be fine for a beginner. I don't know very much about Ritmuller, but just in terms of the question "is it a good piano for a beginner" the answer is yes, because an acoustic upright piano is a great instrument for a beginner.

Yamaha and Kawai both make excellent pianos, but the question about these two used Kawai and Yamaha pianos cannot be answered without knowing how old each piano is and without knowing what condition the piano is in. Either of those pianos could be better than the Ritmuller, or worse! If possible you should have the two used pianos evaluated by an independent piano technician.

Also remember that all pianos need to be tuned regularly, and the climate/indoor environment where the piano is has a big impact on tuning stability. Having said that, some brands/makers do have reputations for being more consistent than others. Yamaha certainly has an excellent reputation in that area, but again, with a used piano, condition is everything.

You might also consider posting your question in the Piano Forum:
http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/forums/1/1/piano-forum.html

Good luck!


Started piano June 1999.
Proud owner of a Yamaha C2

[Linked Image]
[Linked Image]
[Linked Image]
Re: Which piano brand is better for beginner?
Renee14 #3025692 09/16/20 03:20 PM
Joined: Aug 2020
Posts: 219
R
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
R
Joined: Aug 2020
Posts: 219
Around where I am, Ritmullers are somewhat around the same price as a new Yamaha, with Kawai being slightly cheaper. So it sounds like possibly the used Yamaha/Kawai you're looking at are overpriced, or you're getting a good deal on the Ritmuller or both.

I believe Pearl River took over the brand sometime in the past 15 years or so. The original Ritmuller brand went bankrupt something like 100 years ago. So an old Ritmuller is not really going to be common.

So now, Ritmuller is essentially a higher end Chinese piano, with European inspired design elements and German Renner Hammers. Nothing wrong with being made in China, cheaper labor doesn't mean worse labor. If you move to the US and join a New York workers Union, you'd certainly get paid more but it doesn't make you more talented. Granted, brand cachet is more complicated than just cost of labor since there's also target market that comes into play with regards to how much expense to spend on finishing, quality control, and material.

But at the same price point, targeting the same market, they should all be fairly comparable pianos. If you prefer the Ritmuller for the sound and touch, then go for it. I would maybe look at new Yamaha and Kawai dealer pricing as well just to compare.

It's like buying a car and choosing between a Toyota, a Honda, or a Ford. Maintenance is going to matter much more for long term reliability.

If you care about resale-ability (both value and demand) I'd say it would be Yamaha > Kawai > Ritmuller with Yamaha U1 having arguably the highest resale demand of any upright piano.

Re: Which piano brand is better for beginner?
Renee14 #3025721 09/16/20 04:43 PM
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 5,542
W
5000 Post Club Member
Offline
5000 Post Club Member
W
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 5,542
Find a piano that you like. That gives you a sound that you like, that makes you want play more, even when you strike the first chord on it. One that feels right, that gives you the volume you expect and the the tone you expect when you play the notes. That makes you sing. Or whatever properties you like.

The brand and price etc does not matter. All pianos differ.

Unless the piano is really old or something is badly wrong, pianos will be pretty stable if treated well. And, who cares about a perfectly stable but totally non-inspiring piano.

You can check piano backgrounds on larry fine's piano buyer guide
https://www.pianobuyer.com/brand-profiles/

Ritmuller is made in china by pearl river Co. Ltd
https://www.pianobuyer.com/brand/pearl-river/
.


[Linked Image][Linked Image][Linked Image][Linked Image]
Re: Which piano brand is better for beginner?
rkzhao #3025722 09/16/20 04:44 PM
Joined: Sep 2015
Posts: 4,532
4000 Post Club Member
Offline
4000 Post Club Member
Joined: Sep 2015
Posts: 4,532
Originally Posted by rkzhao
Around where I am, Ritmullers are somewhat around the same price as a new Yamaha, with Kawai being slightly cheaper. So it sounds like possibly the used Yamaha/Kawai you're looking at are overpriced, or you're getting a good deal on the Ritmuller or both.

It's more likely that Ritmüller pianos are overpriced where you are. A new Yamaha U1 is usually more than twice as expensive as the Ritmüller 118.

Re: Which piano brand is better for beginner?
johnstaf #3025737 09/16/20 05:25 PM
Joined: Aug 2020
Posts: 219
R
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
R
Joined: Aug 2020
Posts: 219
Originally Posted by johnstaf
Originally Posted by rkzhao
Around where I am, Ritmullers are somewhat around the same price as a new Yamaha, with Kawai being slightly cheaper. So it sounds like possibly the used Yamaha/Kawai you're looking at are overpriced, or you're getting a good deal on the Ritmuller or both.

It's more likely that Ritmüller pianos are overpriced where you are. A new Yamaha U1 is usually more than twice as expensive as the Ritmüller 118.


Ah you're right, I wasn't thinking of the 118. The Ritmullers I saw I think were the UH121R.

I still wouldn't buy one for the price I saw, but it was just what the dealer was asking. Looks like they were asking a lot closer to MSRP than what my Kawai and Yamaha dealers did.

Re: Which piano brand is better for beginner?
ShiroKuro #3025777 09/16/20 07:03 PM
Joined: Sep 2020
Posts: 6
R
Renee14 Offline OP
Junior Member
OP Offline
Junior Member
R
Joined: Sep 2020
Posts: 6
Thank you for your advice, i will
Originally Posted by rkzhao
Originally Posted by johnstaf
Originally Posted by rkzhao
Around where I am, Ritmullers are somewhat around the same price as a new Yamaha, with Kawai being slightly cheaper. So it sounds like possibly the used Yamaha/Kawai you're looking at are overpriced, or you're getting a good deal on the Ritmuller or both.

It's more likely that Ritmüller pianos are overpriced where you are. A new Yamaha U1 is usually more than twice as expensive as the Ritmüller 118.


Ah you're right, I wasn't thinking of the 118. The Ritmullers I saw I think were the UH121R.

I still wouldn't buy one for the price I saw, but it was just what the dealer was asking. Looks like they were asking a lot closer to MSRP than what my Kawai and Yamaha dealers did.
Originally Posted by ShiroKuro
In theory, any of those pianos should be fine for a beginner. I don't know very much about Ritmuller, but just in terms of the question "is it a good piano for a beginner" the answer is yes, because an acoustic upright piano is a great instrument for a beginner.

Yamaha and Kawai both make excellent pianos, but the question about these two used Kawai and Yamaha pianos cannot be answered without knowing how old each piano is and without knowing what condition the piano is in. Either of those pianos could be better than the Ritmuller, or worse! If possible you should have the two used pianos evaluated by an independent piano technician.

Also remember that all pianos need to be tuned regularly, and the climate/indoor environment where the piano is has a big impact on tuning stability. Having said that, some brands/makers do have reputations for being more consistent than others. Yamaha certainly has an excellent reputation in that area, but again, with a used piano, condition is everything.

You might also consider posting your question in the Piano Forum:
http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/forums/1/1/piano-forum.html

Good luck!

Thank you for you advice, i will ask in piano forum for further question.😊

Re: Which piano brand is better for beginner?
Renee14 #3025840 09/17/20 01:28 AM
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 8,949
8000 Post Club Member
Offline
8000 Post Club Member
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 8,949
Originally Posted by Renee14
I am quite fond of Ritmuller because with the same price, i got the new one, but I'm afraid that it is made in China, is it a good one?

Gee, you make it sound like anything made in China is bad.

For a beginner, any of the pianos you listed is fine, new or used. It really doesn't make any difference. Unless the used pianos are completely banged up and abused.

Re: Which piano brand is better for beginner?
AZNpiano #3025843 09/17/20 01:35 AM
Joined: Sep 2020
Posts: 6
R
Renee14 Offline OP
Junior Member
OP Offline
Junior Member
R
Joined: Sep 2020
Posts: 6
Yess youre right, but my friends piano, pearl river, she buyed it in new condition, and after 5 years used, the tunes is already not good as it was. Although she has tuned it every year.

Re: Which piano brand is better for beginner?
Renee14 #3025845 09/17/20 01:43 AM
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 8,949
8000 Post Club Member
Offline
8000 Post Club Member
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 8,949
Originally Posted by Renee14
Yess youre right, but my friends piano, pearl river, she buyed it in new condition, and after 5 years used, the tunes is already not good as it was. Although she has tuned it every year.

How is the weather? Hot? Humid?

Pianos need to be kept in constant humidity and constant temperature. If the temperature swings wildly morning to evening, and the indoor humidity is way above or below 42%, then ANY piano is going to have tuning issues. This includes Steinway! High humidity will also cause rust issues with the strings, and they'll be more liable to snap. And each time you have to refit a new string, there will be a period of unstable tuning.

I'm speaking from experience.

Re: Which piano brand is better for beginner?
Renee14 #3025849 09/17/20 02:00 AM
Joined: Sep 2020
Posts: 6
R
Renee14 Offline OP
Junior Member
OP Offline
Junior Member
R
Joined: Sep 2020
Posts: 6
She put it in small room with an aircon, no sun exposure, i think its humid... Anyway, if i does buy a new piano, should I put moisture repellent? To keep its constant humidity?

Re: Which piano brand is better for beginner?
Renee14 #3025907 09/17/20 06:52 AM
Joined: Jun 2018
Posts: 157
M
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
M
Joined: Jun 2018
Posts: 157
You should order them like this:

- pianos made anywhere in the world except China
- pianos made in China

Re: Which piano brand is better for beginner?
Renee14 #3025981 09/17/20 12:46 PM
Joined: Feb 2016
Posts: 2,307
2000 Post Club Member
Offline
2000 Post Club Member
Joined: Feb 2016
Posts: 2,307
Take a look at C. Bechstein, W. Hoffmann, Schimmel, Estonia, etc, as well. Maybe you'll like a European sound better smile

You could use a dehumidifier if needed. Where are you located?


♯ ♮ ♭ ø ° Δ ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬
Yamaha DC3X Enspire Pro
YouTube
[Linked Image]
Re: Which piano brand is better for beginner?
AZNpiano #3025983 09/17/20 12:56 PM
Joined: Aug 2020
Posts: 82
F
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
F
Joined: Aug 2020
Posts: 82
Originally Posted by AZNpiano
Originally Posted by Renee14
Yess youre right, but my friends piano, pearl river, she buyed it in new condition, and after 5 years used, the tunes is already not good as it was. Although she has tuned it every year.

How is the weather? Hot? Humid?

Pianos need to be kept in constant humidity and constant temperature. If the temperature swings wildly morning to evening, and the indoor humidity is way above or below 42%, then ANY piano is going to have tuning issues. This includes Steinway! High humidity will also cause rust issues with the strings, and they'll be more liable to snap. And each time you have to refit a new string, there will be a period of unstable tuning.

I'm speaking from experience.

My parents have a humidifier for their Bechstein Grand. It's attached to the piano and constantly checks if the humidity is correct. Since they have that the piano falls out of tune a lot less frequently.

Re: Which piano brand is better for beginner?
Renee14 #3025986 09/17/20 01:06 PM
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 8,949
8000 Post Club Member
Offline
8000 Post Club Member
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 8,949
Originally Posted by Renee14
She put it in small room with an aircon, no sun exposure, i think its humid... Anyway, if i does buy a new piano, should I put moisture repellent? To keep its constant humidity?

Do you live in a region that is constantly over 75% humidity? That's really bad for pianos.

You will need a dehumidifier to pull all that water out of the air. Most AC will double as a dehumidifier. You should also buy a hygrometer to check the room's humidity.

I live in California, and our humidity swings from 10% during the Santa Ana season all the way to 90%. I try to keep the indoor humidity around 45% constantly, but it's hard to do without a dehumidifier. I use the AC sparingly. I also have Dampp Chaser installed on two of my grand pianos.


Moderated by  BB Player 

Link Copied to Clipboard
(ad)
Pianoteq
PianoTeq Karsten Collection
(ad)
PianoDisc

PianoDisc
(ad)
Piano Life Saver - Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
(ad)
Mason & Hamlin Pianos
What's Hot!!
News from the Piano World
Our October 2020 Free Piano Newsletter is Here!
---------------------
3,000,000+!
------------------
Posting Pictures on the Forums
-------------------
Forums RULES & HELP
-------------------
ADVERTISE on Piano World
New Topics - Multiple Forums
Anthony Hopkins / National Cat Day
by MH1963 - 10/29/20 09:38 PM
Passable new string
by LemonColor - 10/29/20 09:06 PM
Faure Improvization
by cmb13 - 10/29/20 08:45 PM
Once upon a time there was a real Gors and Kallman
by Lady Bird - 10/29/20 07:01 PM
Practice advice
by 3B43 - 10/29/20 06:01 PM
Download Sheet Music
Virtual Sheet Music - Classical Sheet Music Downloads
Forum Statistics
Forums41
Topics202,484
Posts3,018,565
Members99,068
Most Online15,252
Mar 21st, 2010
Please Support Our Advertisers


Faust Harrison 100+ Steinways

Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver

 Best of Piano Buyer

PianoTeq Bechstein
Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers

Virtual Sheet Music - Classical Sheet Music Downloads



 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
| Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter |


copyright 1997 - 2020 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.4