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Nord Grand Review by Classical Pianist
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Here is a nice review of the Nord Grand by a Julliard trained classical pianist:
https://www.pianodreamers.com/nord-grand-review/

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Thanx for that.

I own the RD 2000.... Overall I am very happy with it except for a dull dynamics feel. If this Nord Grand was out... and I know what I know now, I probably would have purchased it... the downloadable library is very appealing to me.

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Im huge fan of Nord Library.
Far from tweakable like Kawai/Yamaha/Roland but more realistic (by a considerable margin)

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Thank you...? The Nord Grand has been out for years and has a large number of reviews already. I'm not sure what's special about this review?

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Not to rain on your parade, but this should be prefaced with “paid for” review.....

This piano is indeed grossly overpriced; $3,800 for the piano only (no stand/speakers included in this price).

For some perspective, you can get a new CLP-775 (assuming it ever becomes available in the US) for about the same, and no, I don’t have to play either instrument to know that the overall experience will be better with the 775.

‘It sounds great’, he says; well, so does the current RGE with VRM from Yamaha, and the 775 uses a newer engine with new samples and more modeling. It also includes an attached cabinet (beautiful?), 6 speakers, and transducers. If you want the stand/pedals + 2 speakers for the Nord, you’ll have to pay more; bringing you closer to the price of an NU1X.

He talks about the action of the Yamaha being ‘mushy’. Yamaha has been accused of everything (I do it daily), but not of making mushy actions; that prize goes to some Kawai actions.

Portability, who said portability? This thing is a beast and though it is ‘technically’ portable, in reality it isn’t; in the same way my 50” tv is ‘portable’, but do I really want to haul it around with me to watch CNN? No! I have an iPad for that. Granted, the screen is smaller on my iPad, but isn’t that what makes it portable?

He refers to an aspect of the Nord (can’t remember exactly) as not being a ‘weakness’ but rather a ‘compromise’. Well, in my book a compromise can, and often does, lead to a ‘weakness’.

The instrument is probably good; I’m not saying the opposite, but it is significantly overpriced. Once again, specs do tell part of the story, and in this case, the price is simply more than the sum of its parts (not a good thing).

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Thanks for the post. The Nord Grand is indeed a fine instrument.


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Great review. Thank's jon123!


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Pete.

Nord charges for their quality sample/piano library.
Its the easiest way to get a high-quality sound through PA/Recording.
Vst can get you further but demands time, gear and some knowledge.

Kawai/Yamaha/Roland are very far from this kind of experience. (Judging with my (not trained pianist) ears))

Note that i'm talking only in the sound department(what you actually hear), not talking about others(and perhaps more important for a pianist) like connection/playability/etc...

We saw Native launching their Maschine+ stand-alone...maybe we can see in a near-future Native releasing something like a standalone Piano Module for their pianos/keys/synths...

Another thing (dream) to consider it's the release of a proper Nord Piano Module, with all kinds of input, velocity parameters, dynamic parameters to match perfectly all kind of midi inputs.

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I wanna see a long term review about Nord Grand with their Kawai keys.
As we see a lot of problems with Kawai, i wonder if Nord managed to fix those problems.
Nord itself has a lot of problems with their Fatar keys too.

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I owned a NG, but was ultimately unhappy with it. The action is good enough and very fast, but it's so noisy it's bordering on unbearable. The samples are good, but all samples are set to only start at one same level at around mp softness, there is no pp or ppp samples, due no doubt to the small file sizes. Playing through headphones is great but you need high quality speakers to get the most out of it, the nord piano monitors which i also bought were laughably bad, i have no idea what they were thinking making those! Probably a pair of hs8 yamahas would be good enough though.

I'd never go back to nord now, they are over-priced and the samples they use are perhaps slightly ahead of the console pianos by yamaha etc. But not enough and certainly can't touch a good vst. The dynamic ranges are bad and you only have room at the higher end of the loudness spectrum to try to be dynamic with, forget trying to play soft passages intricately and with differing colours etc..

Yamaha p515 is a better piano and way cheaper, better/more dynamic samples and key action.

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Never mind; I just saw a ‘complete’ bundle at Kraft (stand, speakers, etc.) for a moderate $5,100!

I believe some have gotten an NU1X ‘round here for about the same price.

Is any one (Juilliard or not) going to tell me this is right?

That the Nord samples are made of gold, and the ‘red’ paint comes straight from the Red Sea? (The Red Sea is not really red, but you get the point).

That the action has been modified by Renner?


Some people might like that red thing, and that’s fine, but, as mwf confirms, it is grossly overpriced!


I rest my case!

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Just to add to my previous comment... Any right minded person wouldn't value some Juliard trained pianist anymore than a 'normal' person... As if that's something special being a julliard student, they are more qualified to judge a digital piano are they? Nonsense.

I can't think of a worse instrument for a Julliard student than a nord grand anyway, it's a stage piano with poor dynamics and a mid range/budget action.

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Originally Posted by mwf
I owned a NG, but was ultimately unhappy with it.
Yamaha p515 is a better piano and way cheaper, better/more dynamic samples and key action.

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Just to add to my previous comment... Any right minded person wouldn't value some Juliard trained pianist anymore than a 'normal' person... As if that's something special being a julliard student, they are more qualified to judge a digital piano are they? Nonsense.

I can't think of a worse instrument for a Julliard student than a nord grand anyway, it's a stage piano with poor dynamics and a mid range/budget action.

Highly agree. While the NG is a noticeable improvement over the fatar action of the Nord pianos, it's still noisy and to me, not as responsive as the P-515. If I had a Jazz Trio gig, I'd take the Yamaha in a heartbeat over it.

Plus the Nord samples sound clangy live, even through my good RCF TT-08As. The P-515 sounds way better and is easier to tame through even medium quality gigging speakers - QSC, EV, etc..

I can't fathom any Julliard grad, or serious pianist Jazz or Classical, that would choose a Nord Grand over an Avantgrand N1/3X, N2, for home.

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Never mind; I just saw a ‘complete’ bundle at Kraft (stand, speakers, etc.) for a moderate $5,100!

I believe some have gotten an NU1X ‘round here for about the same price.

That's the thing, you're getting very close to what a N1X can be had for. Plus more then likely you'll keep it 10 years. You can't tell me someone that's a serious player will still be happy with the NG if they get anywhere close to 10 years ownership with it.


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Originally Posted by Otavio
I wanna see a long term review about Nord Grand with their Kawai keys.
As we see a lot of problems with Kawai, i wonder if Nord managed to fix those problems.
Nord itself has a lot of problems with their Fatar keys too.
Kawai addressed the reliability problems in the RHIII action by sourcing different key switches. The Nord Grand, current production MP7SE, and when it ships the ES920 have the updated version of the action. Not sure about late production ES8's-- seems unlikely it would have been updated only to be discontnued a year later.

The Nord Grand has some additional modifications requested by Clavia. It is unclear what they are. There was a PW thread suggesting that the Nord Grand action may not be a graded weight action. I have no opinion about that.


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The action: made-by-Kawai-for-Clavia-sent-to-Renner-inspected-by-Bashar (an alien entity) back-to-Clavia-to-Kraft......and finally to a lucky customer!

That’s one of the reasons for its price (and here I thought it was overpriced)!

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Originally Posted by Pete14
Not to rain on your parade, but this should be prefaced with “paid for” review.....

This piano is indeed grossly overpriced; $3,800 for the piano only (no stand/speakers included in this price).

He talks about the action of the Yamaha being ‘mushy’. Yamaha has been accused of everything (I do it daily), but not of making mushy actions; that prize goes to some Kawai actions..

1. You beat me to "grossly overpriced." I've never understood the attraction of Nords. Horrible actions, just a bunch of iPadish tweaks.

2. Kawai "mushy?" I own their MP-11 and ES-110; I would not describe either one's action as "mushy." These are the actions that I (a saxophonist / pianist, apparently in that order...) can play Be-Bop (like Bird, fast, snakey) lines on.


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I apologize; I meant to say Kurzweil mushy! grin

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Originally Posted by Skyscrapersax
I've never understood the attraction of Nords.

I can explain it for you, they are red. Red is bright and attracts the eye. So it looks red, it feels red and it sounds red. What's not to like?

If you look at most other pianos they are black. So there is a marked difference between them and (swoooooon....) Nords!

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Working performers buy Nord keyboards because they provide an unclutterred, high quality implementation of the sounds needed for a working cover band-- drawbar organs, electric pianos, acoustic pianos in a Nord Electro, with synthesizers also incorporated into the Nord Stage.

I purchased a Nord C2 because it is a good quality 2-manual digital pipe organ in a 34 lb. package. Most buyers of a C2 or C2D are interested in the Hammond B3 emulation.


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Originally Posted by Sweelinck
Working performers buy Nord keyboards because they provide an unclutterred, high quality implementation of the sounds needed for a working cover band-- drawbar organs, electric pianos, acoustic pianos in a Nord Electro, with synthesizers also incorporated into the Nord Stage.

I purchased a Nord C2 because it is a good quality 2-manual digital pipe organ in a 34 lb. package. Most buyers of a C2 or C2D are interested in the Hammond B3 emulation.

I must admit I virtually never play any organs and find all the drawbar provision of no use whatsoever. I have it on a Roland RD700 NX, but as I don't really play organs...

It's a good thing that there are musicians out there who find value in the extra cost though.

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