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#3024775 09/13/20 08:23 PM
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I managed to install True Keys Italian into my PC. Now the next challenge is getting my Kawai ES8 to play it. Can I do this with a single USB cable, or do I need something like Roland UM One, or an audio interface?

Also, what settings on the computer and keyboard are required to allow me to play the Kawai and hear the VST thru my headphones or external speakers? Thanks!

It sound fantastic, btw... and that’s just hitting notes in the standalone keyboard! I wonder if an audio interface or a DAC like Dragonfly will improve the sound noticeably (for me)?


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For the start, you need a $3-5 USB printer cable to connect your ES8 to your PC. Then, download and install Kawai USB MIDI driver. Run your DAW (or just UVI Workstation if you work without a DAW) and chose KAWAI USB MIDI as the MIDI input, and ASIO4ALL as the ASIO device (you may need to install ASIO4ALL if it does not appear in the dialogue).

After that you should be able to play your ES8 and hear True Keys Italian.

Depending on the ASIO Sample Rate and Buffer Size (see ASIO Control Panel), you may experience some latency and/or audio crackling during your play. Typically, default values are Sample Rate = 44.1 kHz and Buffer Size = 128. In case of notable crackling, increase Buffer Size. In case of latency, make it smaller.

There exist some alternatives to the ASIO4ALL driver.

If the latency/crackling balance is found, you can do without Audio interface.

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Andrew, you know your stuff! That is exactly what I finally did before you wrote. Downloading the Kawai driver was key. Then adjusting the output device in audio settings. And again you are right about the latency. Even with a buffer of 64 there is too much delay for me.

I just posted another thread asking for advice on audio interfaces. Do you agree it could help considerably? What would you recommend around $150 or less?

Again, thank you. You had the exact info I needed.


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Delay with buffer of 64 looks strange. Note that even acoustic pianos have some latency resulted from mechanical inertia of the action.

I apply FocusRite Scarlett, it definitely solves the latency/crackling problems for UVI pianos. Probably there exist some better/cheaper AI devices.

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One of the cheaper quality audio interfaces that is compatible with both iOS (iPad/iPhone) and Windows is the Steinberg UR 22 MKII (it must be Mark II). I use it all the time with my iPhone and it works a treat. As a side note if you get bored with the True Keys on PC Ive got some free fairly decent pianos you can download from my site for free that work on the free sforzando player for windows or on the cheap bs-16i app for iOS. https://sites.google.com/site/soundfonts4u/
Here is a demo of the Large Grand https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PxBDbs11ody7YSmBodYSgcKjeu4WpeNC/view

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Something is off kilter here ...
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Even with a buffer of 64 there is too much delay for me.
I use 44.1 kHz sample rate and 64 buffer size. Latency is around 2 msec. It doesn't get much lower than that.

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Thanks, Andrew. I will try the ASIO4all first. Which Scarlett do you have? I’ve considered the 2i2.


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Still, before buying an AI, try to follow recommendations of those who do without it: there are some discussions about this.

I have FocusRite Scarlet 6i6 and apply additional jacks for mixing the piano sound with external audio sources (mainly a Yamaha Motif keyboard). If you do not plan to combine audio sources, 2i2 is enough for you. Its additional advantage is that it does not need the mains (6i6 does).

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BTW, if you go in AI hardware direction: Some AI vendors provide, along with their hardware, some light but usable versions of popular software. For example, with Scarlett I received licenses to Ableton Live Lite and to one instrument of XLN Audio Addictive Keys.

Not that I like or use them, but maybe you will find some AI hardware with a software that is interesting for you.

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Thank you, Andrew. The adventure continues!


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Andrew, the ASIO worked like a charm. The sound is very good, but I wonder how it might be better with an AI like Steinberg UR22mkii or the Scarlett? Also, there is some dropout. Will that be cured by using an AI? Thanks!

Thanks, JonkyPonkey. I will check it out.

Mac, all cool, running on 128 now with ASIO. No latency.


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IosPlayer, what's your PC make?


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EVC2017... HP. Just found out I am getting a 2013 MacBook Pro.... a surfeit of computational largesse.


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Originally Posted by IosPlayer
Andrew, the ASIO worked like a charm. The sound is very good, but I wonder how it might be better with an AI like Steinberg UR22mkii or the Scarlett? Also, there is some dropout. Will that be cured by using an AI? Thanks!

Thanks, JonkyPonkey. I will check it out.

Mac, all cool, running on 128 now with ASIO. No latency.

IosPlayer, I have some rare dropouts in Ravenscroft-275 (also with UVI workstation) even with my Scarlett. It may be caused by reasons not related to AI. I recommend experimenting as follows:

1) Increase the buffer from 128 to 256 or even greater if the latency is not affected too much.
2) Use smaller number of mics of the Italian grand, e.g., apply "Italian-Close" or "Italian-Player" instead of "Italian".

If the latter helps, you even will be able to run simultaneously 2-3 instances of single-mic UVI-s for playing 2-3 mics simultaneously (provided you use a DAW).

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EVC2017... HP. Just found out I am getting a 2013 MacBook Pro.... a surfeit of computational largesse.
Those can be pretty good laptops. Recently, Louis Rossmann, Apple repairman, recommended the A1502 (2013-2014) as it had very few defects or failures (and did not have the rotten butterfly 1 or 2 keyboards). Intel CPUs have not evolved much since then, particularly with respect to single core speeds, so don't believe the marketing hype.

You might find the MacBook Pro does not need any external audio interface and runs fine as is.

Thesycon makes the basic drivers ASIO for a lot of audio interfaces so that reduces differentiation. RME, Zoom and a few other companies make their own drivers.

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Thanks, Andrew, I will take your sage advice!
And thank you, Newer Player. I’m looking forward to comparing the PC and the Mac.


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Originally Posted by newer player
Those can be pretty good laptops. Recently, Louis Rossmann, Apple repairman, recommended the A1502 (2013-2014) as it had very few defects or failures (and did not have the rotten butterfly 1 or 2 keyboards). Intel CPUs have not evolved much since then, particularly with respect to single core speeds, so don't believe the marketing hype.

Hey, I have one of those! smile "Late 2013" MacBook Pro. It still works fine although I probably need to reset the OS and do all the upgrades. I don't use it for VSTi though; for that, I use a much more ancient HP EliteBook (upgraded with SSD and 8G RAM); i5 mobile of some sort; and with no audio interface, using ASIO4ALL, it works 100% at 64 with very low latency.

Previously (and I described my struggles elsewhere on the forum), I hooked up a much newer and shinier Dell XPS with a fresh install of Windows and... dropouts, crackling, super high latency. DPC problems. But the HP EliteBook, from 2010 or 2012, sits there running all the time like a champ. I should try the MacBook and see how well it does!

PSA: I did, for a time, have an external SSD hooked up to a USB 3 hub. This introduced ground issues and I heard substantial buzzing, especially when the external SSD was accessed. I changed the hub and the noise ceased.


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