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Re: Shopping for an Avant Grand
vagfilm #3023686 09/10/20 02:39 PM
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Welcome back mac. PW is not the same without you. Pianoteq sales went up for the last few days... 😀
LOL, good one. grin


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Re: Shopping for an Avant Grand
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Originally Posted by vagfilm
Welcome back mac. PW is not the same without you. Pianoteq sales went up for the last few days... 😀

Hey don't pick on my beloved PianoTeq. Wait, isn't the saying you pick on the ones you love. So in that case MacMacMac must really LOVE PianoTeq smile


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Welcome back, Mac! It feels like it's been forever.

Huge congrats on the new house, that's momentous! It must make your pending retirement suddenly feel all the more real, doesn't it?

I'm sure all of the N1X owners can jump in and tell you, but if you like the N3X, the N1X should be almost the same (save the ivorite key finish and damper pedal feel); you get the same action, the same keystick length, the same binaural audio, and less than half the cost. Hopefully you can find one in person to try out.

You know I'm going to +1 playing back to back against the Novus. I did the same and came out on the other side of the tunnel, but I'm glad I had the chance to try all the options.

Also, are you dead set on a digital piano? You're retiring, you don't have young kids with nap times, you (hopefully) won't have neighbors sharing walls. What about nice acoustic grand to really ring in that well-deserved retirement? smile


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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
But of the two Kawai shops, one is around sixty miles away to the southeast, and it's a small shop.
The other is 100 miles west. But it's a big shop. In a nice neighborhood. So it's a more attractive place to pay a visit.
Wifey would be more likely to tag along on that trip ... assuming there's the prospect of fine dining in the area. smile

Happy shopping then! Do keep us posted smile!

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Also, are you dead set on a digital piano? You're retiring, you don't have young kids with nap times, you (hopefully) won't have neighbors sharing walls. What about nice acoustic grand to really ring in that well-deserved retirement?

Interested in the answer here too! Although I think hybrids are very nice instruments, if I can afford to live in a house I'd try to go the acoustic grand way 🤔.


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Originally Posted by Gombessa
Also, are you dead set on a digital piano? You're retiring, you don't have young kids with nap times, you (hopefully) won't have neighbors sharing walls. What about nice acoustic grand to really ring in that well-deserved retirement?

Maybe he needs the best of all worlds: a CyberGene Special! smile Hooked up to Pianoteq, of course.


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Welcome back, Mac. PW is not the same without you!

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vagfilm #3023782 09/10/20 07:26 PM
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Nice remark!:)
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Welcome back mac. PW is not the same without you. Pianoteq sales went up for the last few days... 😀
I needed a laugh. That's now been taken care of.

Re: Shopping for an Avant Grand
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To those of you suggesting an acoustic piano ... yes, that's a good thought. It did not occur to me at all.
But after hearing that N3X I begin to wonder whether that's close enough!
If the N1X is mostly the same (via headphones) I won't need VSTs anymore. That CFX binaural was stupendous.

But the cost of a proper acoustic? The budget is already having fits.
I'll be writing a check for just under six-figures for the house down payment plus costs.
Plus around $15,000 for the movers.
And another $10,000 for some renovations. Maybe $15,000.

So I'll be groaning when it comes to spending yet another $7000-ish on an N1X, or perhaps more for the NV10.
My bank accounts are already crying in anticipation.

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Mac, all this talk of Wexford, Raleigh, and even Wisconsin have me chuckling. I am originally from the Pittsburgh area (not too far from Wexford), but now live in Wisconsin. To top it all off, my mother currently lives near Raleigh (Chapel Hill), but is moving back to suburban Pittsburgh, and I'm driving her (she is blind) all the way next week! LOL!

Such a small world. Good luck with the piano search! I got my N1X from Pianoforte in Chicago early this year. I love it every single day. I had also tried the N3X, and I agree with the others that I got 95% of the N3X for just 50% of the cost. Great deal on a very fine instrument.

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
I won't need VSTs anymore. That CFX binaural was stupendous.
That is a significant savings in cost and time.

But even CyberGene moved back to the dark side.

It will be interesting to see if you have different view of your VIs when connected to the N1x.

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Welcome back Mac.

See how much you can get done when you don't spend all your time in the forum???

May will be here before you know it!

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@djvu: Thanks. But the plan is changing. It won't be May. More like December or January. smile

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Do you mean in 3-4 months or a year after that?

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This year.

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Congrats on the new home! Big move!

That's a sleazy dealership trying to sell the N3X for $20k -- even with PianoBuyer's famously inflated estimates, it comes in at $18.8k. They are making the most of the supply issues. Might be worth taking the risk and shipping one across state lines.

Take a look at the GB1K and GL10 at least.

Hopefully, the N1X comes in at a good price. Here's some relevant advice quoted from Pete14, you might want to keep in a back pocket:

Originally Posted by Pete14
I’d recommend ‘blending’ Pianoteq (Steingraeber) with the N1X’s on-board CFX. It works very well for me (I also enjoy CFX solo).

I go into Pianoteq Pro and work on matching volume levels and note tuning to the CFX on a note per note basis; I do this only for the notes that sound badly out of tune (some notes match well automatically). I skip the upper-most/lower notes altogether because these notes are never played (lowest A and neighboring notes, for example). I just concentrate on the ‘usable’ registers. Also, I still like to leave some level of de-tuning because I find it makes the sound more organic (less perfect/clean).

I believe that the N1X might allow for note-per-note tuning (I’m not 100% sure), but I’m certain that it allows note-per-note volume. If note-per-note tuning is possible on the CFX (via the app) then perhaps you can perform the edits there and not on Pianoteq. As you may already know, you will need Pianoteq Pro for note-per-note edits.

I only work on volume/tuning (note per note) and maybe a little e.q. (globally). At some point I might try to fiddle with the mics on Pianoteq (positioning, etc.).

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Yes, I know that $20,000 is way high for the N3X. But note that the dealer's $20k price was just idle conversation. It could have been meant to establish a norm ... so that later (if I expressed interest to buy) he'd return with a lower asking price ... and the deal would seem sweet. Just a seller's ploy. (He doesn't know who he's dealing with.) smile

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I picked up an NV-5 from that dealer outside Cleveland, and I had a good experience with that shop. They were making individual appointments due to COVID, which meant that I had the entire floor to myself for about 2 hours. And they have at least one Shigeru Grand on display, in case you want to test the NV-10 action against the real thing. wink

And yes, there's good food and shopping in the area.

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Lol macmacmac, welcome back. You are definitely the market expert, I believe the Costco N3x price is 15k, do you think it can be done even lower?

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Lol macmacmac, welcome back. You are definitely the market expert, I believe the Costco N3x price is 15k, do you think it can be done even lower?
In the Prices Paid thread, someone was able to get it for $13K with shipping included from a dealer in San Antonio, TX to Missouri. That was a year ago.

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Yes if your local dealer won’t budge call around. You should easily get one with shipping < $15,000


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