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Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP-700 Series
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Yes, that’s what I thought, but a certain someone ‘round here indicated otherwise. smile

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Originally Posted by Pete14
Yes, that’s what I thought, but a certain someone ‘round here indicated otherwise. smile
LOL - I know I did once. Just a 'mental slip', honest blush


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Originally Posted by Pete14
Yes, that’s what I thought, but a certain someone ‘round here indicated otherwise. smile
apologies, i don't know enough about the actions. stand corrected, can't edit my post.

Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP-700 Series
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Originally Posted by kailord
And touched the Yamaha silent pianos a bit too. Odd ly there was a tone difference between the silent and the acoustic cousin of same model - which doesn't make sense since they're the same, so maybe the differences I heard were due to room placement eg near walls. Cos the plain acoustics sounded better than the silent cousin. Anyone knows if they are meant to be identical-sounding ? Salesperson also mentioned key travel on silents is a little less due to the mechanism, though it doesn't match what is described by yamaha, cos silents work by pedals shifting the mechanism, not by actual key action differences. So maybe the sales person misunderstood ...

On an acoustic piano, we try to tune the escapement point as close to the string as possible. But with a Silent system, we have to tune the escapement point farther or else, when the stop bar is engaged, the action will not work well (hammer sticked against the stop bar)Then, most Silent systems need the piano to be regulated a little worse. On some grand actions, we can have a system which makes the installation possible without altering the escapement. It is named QuickEscape on Yamaha, but AdSilent propose it as an option. On uprights, I know no comparable system.

We can also have two pianos of the same model in different condition, voiced differently, etc.

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Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP-700 Series
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Originally Posted by kailord
Originally Posted by Pete14
Yes, that’s what I thought, but a certain someone ‘round here indicated otherwise. smile
apologies, i don't know enough about the actions. stand corrected, can't edit my post.

It’s too little too late; I have already given thee one Bannon! laugh

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It's pretty amazing that YouTube can auto-translate the captions from German into English! Having said that, I'm not sure what to make of that review. The piano sound was great, but he also had those gigantic speakers set up in the back, so it's hard to know how authentic it was. There also wasn't much info on the action.

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Well folks, I'll let you know how the 785 performs. I just placed my pre-order and I'm uncertain when it will arrive. I live in the USA and had the opportunity to speak with folks from The Piano Guys Store that actually had experience playing the 785 and I was told the action was "improved" from the 685. "improved" meaning it was lighter on initial ACTION as compared to the 685. Again, this is referenced in the article I linked previously and will link again here -> Article <- Again, it was explained to me how the keybed is improved and that criticism of the 685 was truly taken to heart and that it is improved for the 785. I'm struggling with all the different vernacular we're using here at this point. But needless to say, the conversation was enough to convince me to put down the money to buy this instrument. I will try to answer questions if you have any, otherwise I suggest maybe you try to talk to them? Click here to to reach The Piano Guys Store.

While I'm certain many of you think I'm probably a bit (or a lot lol) crazy for buying before trying, I think this digital piano will be perfect for me. Truth be told, I think I'm a little crazy for buying without trying. I have to give it to The Piano Guys Store for reaching out and actually talking to me about the piano. I attempted to reach out to other online retailers and even local retailers and never heard back. It was genuinely frustrating and I tried my best. The Piano Guys Store actually has tried the 785 and was able to give me feedback to my specific questions about how it compared to the 685 and an upright acoustic piano, how it sounds, and what the new binaural sampling was like for the CFX and Bösendorfer. It pushed me over the edge to purchase and maybe it could be a place for you to ask questions and get answers.

When I get this piano I will be sure to either reply here (as I will continue to check this thread for sure) or create a new thread where I will try my best to answer questions for you all.

Re: Yamaha Clavinova CLP-700 Series
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I forgot to mention about the keybed in my earlier post. When I tested the 775 it definitely felt softer than its predecessor and that's an improvement. Yamaha has always had rock solid hard keybeds and this is an area where Kawai has always had an edge over them.


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Sorry I can't compare with 675 685, never had the opportunity to touch. and also no access to 600s except for my impression from a limited assessment.

if i guess that "100%" is grand piano touch, i'd say 775 785 weight is about 105-110%. 745 weight is about 85-90%. 735 i remember is a bit lighter, so maybe i'll guess 80-85%. i'm now hoping to re-evaluate CA79 whether it's closer to 100% than 775 785.

i wonder if experienced pianists can comment on whether erring on higher or lower side is better for a exam-oriented trainee, if the margin of error is about 10%. too heavy 110%, afraid of hand tiredness & discrepancy with acoustic used in exams. too light 90%, afraid of insufficient finger strength when nearing exams & renting exam-acoustics to catch up in training.

Rechecked CA79 - just my estimate again but they got it rather close to kawai upright weight (not sure which model but it was also their silent model), about 92-95% of upright weight. And even closer to their grand (also not sure which model), I'm guessing 96-97% grand weight.

Key bed felt minimally softer than kawai acoustics but close enough. Initial action also really close.

I checked any hiss. Seems none, maybe as mentioned it may be a regional power issue.

Anyone knows other negatives of CA79 like key durability problems etc ? I know this is wrong thread, I'll trawl more other threads but I didn't find any except hiss. I think I'm won over by CA79 ... Final tie up about the speakers, it's got the right amount of treble and bass. CA99 is really excessive even beyond the reply by another forummer about upright cabinet. I did comparison and CA99 has like at least double the bass resonance of both grands and uprights, which is like no-no. U feel the frame buzzing obviously on lower notes and even the sound balance (volume) of higher versus lower notes veers towards this imbalance. An existing user would need to tune down equalizer (not sure if such feature exists. Clp 700s have an equalizer which is nice).

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Why is there no news regarding the CLP-725 ? I don’t know if this model even exist !

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No 725? Maybe Yamaha concluded that there's little market for it.
The low-end Clav is barely distinguishable from their high-end Arius.
But the latter is less expensive. So maybe there is no 725?

Here's what their web site lists:
CLP-695GP . . CLP-795GP
CLP-665GP . . CLP-765GP
CLP-685 . . . CLP-785
CLP-675 . . .
CLP-645 . . . CLP-745
CLP-635 . . . CLP-735
CLP-625 . . .


No 725. And no 775 either.

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Originally Posted by ZspH4
Why is there no news regarding the CLP-725 ?

It has not been released.

But there was a leek.

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Here, actually: http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthre...lavinova-clp-700-series.html#Post2998124

Originally Posted by ZspH4
I don’t know if this model even exist !

Not yet, officially.

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The CLP-725 still appears on some sites:

https://nebout-hamm.com/blog/yamaha-serie-clp-700-nouveaux-clavinova/

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Le CLP-725 A découvrir début 2021.

https://www.musicbros.net/yamaha-clavinova-clp725-dark-rosewood.html

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Disponibile dal 2021, il nuovissimo modello Yamaha Clavinova CLP 725 è già il più atteso della nuova serie di Clavinova Yamaha CLP.

So, next year.

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
No 725? Maybe Yamaha concluded that there's little market for it.
The low-end Clav is barely distinguishable from their high-end Arius.
But the latter is less expensive. So maybe there is no 725?

Here's what their web site lists:
CLP-695GP . . CLP-795GP
CLP-665GP . . CLP-765GP
CLP-685 . . . CLP-785
CLP-675 . . .
CLP-645 . . . CLP-745
CLP-635 . . . CLP-735
CLP-625 . . .


No 725. And no 775 either.

The CLP-775 is available here in Europe but appears not to be available in the USA. Most odd...
CLP-725, see above posts.


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So I've been researching and playing Kawai, Roland, Casio, and Yamaha digital pianos for the past 18 months with the goal of finding the digital piano best-suited to both my 8 year-old daughter (2nd year learner) and me.

This year we've also owned 4 pianos: Roland FP-80, C.Bechstein Academy 124, Ritmüller 110R2, and Yamaha P-125. So the whole family has seen and tried out not only a lot of different brands and models - but also different pianos of the same model.

In the end our top 5 choices (also constrained by a USD $7,300 maximum budget) came down to:

1. Roland LX706
2. Casio GP-310
3. Yamaha CLP-745
4. Yamaha CLP-775
5. Kawai CA79

Ultimately the Kawai CA79 has the best feeling action of that bunch. However, unfortunately the Kawai dealer here in Singapore is the only Kawai dealer and so charges a monopoly-enabled premium of 30% extra. I will never ever finance such market segmentation extortion rackets. Kawai: this cost you a sale - and many more if people read this.

So we have gone with the second-best option on the list, the Yamaha CLP-745.

Every CLP-745 key is 20 grams lighter than those on the CLP-775, which much better suits my daughter.

The key weighting is much the same between the CLP-745 (62 grams at A0 down to 45 grams at C8), the Casio GP-310 (60 grams at A0 down to 42 grams at C8), and the Roland LX706. Compared with the Kawai CA79/CA99 weighting of 55g at A0 down to 45g at C8.

The other selling point of the CLP-745 after the action was the price. Whereas the Kawai was 30% overpriced, the CLP-745 was actually less expensive here than in other markets (USD $2,100 + tax).

I thoroughly recommend playing both the Yamaha CLP-745 and the Kawai CA79 as benchmarks against which to compare all other digital pianos.

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P.S. minor issues worth noting with the CLP-745 (and CLP-775):
1. Whilst the ivory keys are rock solid, the ebony keys have a fair amount of lateral side-to-side wobble.
2. The Mozart fortepiano is not tuned correctly (it's tuned to A440 instead of about A421 - out by almost 1 semitone). Likewise the Chopin fortepiano tuning may also be sightly out. I believe you can adjust this tuning manually.

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P.S. minor issues worth noting with the CLP-745 (and CLP-775):
1. Whilst the ivory keys are rock solid, the ebony keys have a fair amount of lateral side-to-side wobble.
2. The Mozart fortepiano is not tuned correctly (it's tuned to A440 instead of about A421 - out by almost 1 semitone). Likewise the Chopin fortepiano tuning may also be sightly out. I believe you can adjust this tuning manually.
did you play the piano clp 735?

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It seems like Yamaha is ‘holding out’ a bit on the CLP-785. I mean, there aren’t any dealer reviews (at least not in depth) or comparisons to the other models.
Tony from Bonners is very fond of comparing the X75 to the X85, so hopefully we’ll see something from him, or perhaps from Stu, soon.

I’m also hoping they do the down weight comparison between the 685 and the 785; as it stands it’s all anecdotal. Some say there’s no difference; others say there is.
This could be easily settled by using actual weights or even using an iPhone as a ‘weight’ (something Stu did when comparing ES-8 with the P-515). smile

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Originally Posted by Burkie
The key weighting is much the same between the CLP-745 (62 grams at A0 down to 45 grams at C8), the Casio GP-310 (60 grams at A0 down to 42 grams at C8), and the Roland LX706. Compared with the Kawai CA79/CA99 weighting of 55g at A0 down to 45g at C8.

hi fellow singaporean dad, only difference is my kid's almost 6.
interesting that your measurements puts 745 a little heavier than CA79. i only gauged with fingers. wonder how much it's got to do with the weight required for initial movement, then the follow through? i guessed 745 to be lighter than CA79 which is marginally lighter than acoustics. i was gunning for 785 but realised it's heavy weight - which means if 745 weighs 62-45g, 785 must be almost 70 !

did u use coins? thought of doing so but don't know the weight of coins yet.
any negatives u know about CA79 besides the hiss reports?

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