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Re: Kawai ES9? Thoughts about ES8's successor
AlexBltn #3012974 08/12/20 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by AlexBltn
Perhaps it makes sense to stop waiting and hope for something, be more skeptical and visit such forums less often. Just use what is already available and keep practicing.
Perhaps.

The digital piano market is rather mature. Combined with the current global chaos, I speculate the makers are having a tough time with basic operations, never-mind innovation. That said, in the last couple of years, we saw a lot of action in the hybrid space (two Kawai Novus pianos and the Yamaha NU1x, n1x); in the slab space, Yamaha released the 515 and Roland the FP90.

The virtual Instrument market is less mature, somewhat more of the "wild west". Partly a function of declining prices of computer storage and the relative ease of making and selling software from one's basement. The PianoWorld VI database indicates over 200 piano VIs were introduced in the past decade by dozens of firms. Today, everyone can make a VI with lots of layers and long 48khz/16bit samples, so I suppose the focus goes back to "fundamentals" (piano, tuning, room, sampling, scripting...) and / or "features". On the upside, some firms have a lot of experience sampling pianos, and in the last year we saw some exciting pianos from VSL, VI Labs, NI, etc.

So, I'm not sure digital pianos and VIs will innovate quite as rapidly as they did in the past decade, there is some exciting progress to come.

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Svennig #3012978 08/12/20 09:12 AM
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Selling points would be a(n even better) action which uses optical sensors and support for MIDI 2.0 and better pedals

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Gombessa #3013028 08/12/20 12:02 PM
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I think it's just odd that he's reviewing the ES8 so late in its alleged lifecycle!
He did because he was asked to do so many many times. Especially comparisons to PA515 and FP90. And he did it in an outstanding way. I like his reviews a lot, very informative.


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Re: Kawai ES9? Thoughts about ES8's successor
AlexBltn #3023877 09/11/20 03:43 AM
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Why has no one said the greatest improvement for the Kawai ES8 would be Binaural Sampling for headphones? Is that not considered a great feature? I personally find it vital for a digital piano to have it nowadays; it just takes the involvement/experience of playing a digital piano to a much higher level. Especially for people like me: who live in an apartment without much space, in a city that has neighbors within hearing distance on the other side of each wall. I usually would have to practice with headphones on.

ANYWAYS, just a heads up, the successor to the ES8 was just announced a few days ago: ES920.


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Re: Kawai ES9? Thoughts about ES8's successor
JVLeon #3023880 09/11/20 04:04 AM
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Originally Posted by JVLeon
Why has no one said the greatest improvement for the Kawai ES8 would be Binaural Sampling for headphones? Is that not considered a great feature?

Not with exactly those words.

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Kawai are most probably in a hurry to introduce binaural sampling

(http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthre...ts-about-es8s-successor.html#Post2854900)

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Maybe some binaural headphone tech.?

(http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthre...ts-about-es8s-successor.html#Post2904120)

Kawai does have the "SHS spatial sound" however, but it's just an "audio enhancement" for headphones. The ES8 didn't have and the ES920 does.

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Just to clarify:

1. The ES920 has SHS Spatial Sound?

2. Kawai's SHS Spatial Sound does not give the same effect as Binaural Sampling from Yamaha?


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Originally Posted by JVLeon
Just to clarify:

1. The ES920 has SHS Spatial Sound?

2. Kawai's SHS Spatial Sound does not give the same effect as Binaural Sampling from Yamaha?
It does not, it's like Yamaha's stereophonic optimizer which is basically a worse version of binaural sampling.


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Originally Posted by JVLeon
Just to clarify:

1. The ES920 has SHS Spatial Sound?

2. Kawai's SHS Spatial Sound does not give the same effect as Binaural Sampling from Yamaha?
It does not, it's like Yamaha's stereophonic optimizer which is basically a worse version of binaural sampling.


...yeah, I'm not a fan of the SHS personally. I've turned it off on my NV-10. I like the pure stereo processing better. It's definitely NOT a binaural experience.


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JVLeon #3024066 09/11/20 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by JVLeon
Why has no one said the greatest improvement for the Kawai ES8 would be Binaural Sampling for headphones? Is that not considered a great feature? I personally find it vital for a digital piano to have it nowadays; it just takes the involvement/experience of playing a digital piano to a much higher level. Especially for people like me: who live in an apartment without much space, in a city that has neighbors within hearing distance on the other side of each wall. I usually would have to practice with headphones on.

ANYWAYS, just a heads up, the successor to the ES8 was just announced a few days ago: ES920.

I haven't found binaural to be even semi-decent; it introduced too much extraneous noise. Might've been resonances or something which needed resetting although it came from the box. but I'm glad others find it good.


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I wonder if ‘binaural’ is inferior in the P-515 because I, too, fail to notice its “greatness”.

No, it doesn’t sound like the piano-sound is in front of me!
No, I don’t have to take the headphones off because I swear by god that the speakers are on!

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