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Re: sound of a clock- students no longer know
missbelle #3023234 09/09/20 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Animisha
Dishwasher, washing machine?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1ThSi1wbqU&t=127s

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Dishwasher, washing machine?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1ThSi1wbqU&t=127s

I wonder what the cost of diesel is these days.

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Dishwasher, washing machine?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1ThSi1wbqU&t=127s

I wonder what the cost of diesel is these days.

https://www.theaa.com/driving-advice/driving-costs/fuel-prices

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missbelle #3023381 09/09/20 07:35 PM
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There must be a cell phone ring tone or timer alert that is rhythmic, since there are zillions of possibilities.


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Other electronics - ceiling fan, air conditioning unit, food processor? The clicking of knitting needles in the hands of an experienced knitter? Jump rope?

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Originally Posted by missbelle
TimR,
I am not planking during a lesson.
No.
(I'm not planking ever, really! lol)

I have never planked in a lesson.

I do plank during a practice session. Every 5-10 minutes I stand up and stretch some part of my body briefly, and one of those stretches is a plank. It is not good for the body to remain seated for long periods.


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Originally Posted by TimR
I have never planked in a lesson.

Certainly not, but I have blanked more times than I would like to admit.


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missbelle #3024226 09/12/20 09:18 AM
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Interesting observation.

We have an old Braun travel alarm clock. I'll dig that out and put it on my desk.

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missbelle, I'd like to suggest the pendulum, ages old to be sure. I think children intuitively count a back and forth swing as 1 unit of time.
Or a bouncing a ping-pong ball up and down with a paddle. The upwards motion to the apex and back down to the paddle also counts as 1 unit of time.

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I know some old folks still have large clocks hanging on the wall. I look at the time on my phone. And for counting beats I downloaded a metronome app. You can set it to different ticking sounds.

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missbelle #3024726 09/13/20 04:13 PM
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I have a metronome app.

But, with a curious young child, I did not want my smart phone to be,
"oh, cool, my mom has a smart phone, too! What kind do you have? What's that app? Wait, Iv'e never heard that word- met- ro-nome? what else does it do? Can it go faster? Louder? other sounds? Ooh, I see it can blink in color- I like green. Can it do green?"

I just wanted the real life example of a steady beat.

Thanks, though. I did find an app that shows a grandfather clock with a pendulum, and a moving and ticking 2nd hand. So, I can jut show that.

But, I prefer not to bring it outside materials at the beginning, especially, when, all times before, I could say "tick tock like a clock" and they would understand.


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Even though I am certainly old enough to remember mechanical clocks, no-one ever explained the idea of steady beat to me in terms of a clock ticking.

In the few lessons I had as a kid my teacher just turned on the wooden metronome and there it was, that steady beat, faster or slower as needed. No explanations or comparisons offered.

And that’s exactly what my modern young teacher does 50 years later. I’ve never thought of it as a clock or felt any need to although my logical adult brain is obviously able to make the connection.


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I just want to quickly elaborate on what I wrote before. By "pendulum", I meant an arm's length of string and any kind of weight. You hold the string at a fixed point and let the weight swing. Shorter fixed lengths are quicker and vice versa. It's a simple setup and easily leads to questions about the physical world (given any curious young students). I.E. an intuition of gravity as a constant. Students don't actually need to know the maths ofc.

A grandfather clock does work with a pendulum, although as mentioned by someone else earlier, these analogue time devices aren't exactly seen much these days.

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Originally Posted by missbelle
I just wanted the real life example of a steady beat.

But it's hard for me to know what the real life experience of a child is today.

I would have said a marching band in a parade playing Stars and Stripes forever. But while I've done that myself, I'm not sure one of today's children have seen a parade or heard a Sousa march.

Some years back I was asked to demonstrate instruments in preschool, and I thought nursery rhymes would be a good choice. Wrong! Those children did not recognize the nursery rhymes I grew up with.


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A preschool demonstration in my area would have to be Star Wars, Harry Potter, Frozen, and Baby Shark! Maybe I'd also ask the teacher ahead of time for some songs they sing in the classroom, then only after "hooking" them on familiar tunes, bring in something classical.

I too wonder if children actually know (through life, culture) the songs that are sung to and with them by the Kodaly teachers or if it's only through the Kodaly teachers that the songs aren't being (artificially) kept alive.

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A preschool demonstration in my area would have to be Star Wars, Harry Potter, Frozen, and Baby Shark! Maybe I'd also ask the teacher ahead of time for some songs they sing in the classroom, then only after "hooking" them on familiar tunes, bring in something classical.

I too wonder if children actually know (through life, culture) the songs that are sung to and with them by the Kodaly teachers or if it's only through the Kodaly teachers that the songs aren't being (artificially) kept alive.
Star Wars, of course, has classical music all over. I did a keyword search and came up with this at random:

https://www.classicalmpr.org/story/2015/10/20/star-wars-john-williams-influences

So with SW you've already brought in something classical.'

And the themes going with each character are in fact Leitmotivs, so you've got classical music theory in there. I wish I were the clever one, but I got this from a teacher in a small study group I'm in.

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You're right! JW did ste- I mean borrow from the white European classical history. I suppose I meant expose the young minds to sources and examples predating contemporary film score. Yes, that could be its own study unit though, how the music supports the story, action, characterizations, motifs and variations, how the use of these evoke certain emotions and associations in the viewer, etc. Harmonic structure, instrumentation, textures, all could be further topics of exploration for older students. Baby Shark is a standard chord progression and my students have used it for chord study and improvisation. For preschoolers, a few lines of the SW Main Theme, beginning of the Imperial March/DV theme, Hedwig's Theme, etc. would suffice!

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Well, Rossini and Wagner made a very comfortable living writing for Warner Brothers cartoons, something I grew up with, but again probably not within the experience of today's children.


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Small update-

the double difficulty was this is a young student, and , it was over Zoom.

We like to look at the other person's room setting.

Even in person, when I show my "old" metronome, or my modern one, or even one on my smart phone, it takes a few seconds away.

And, having taught in a music classroom (Boomwhackers for Star Wars is great for a stage performance) has shown me that there are still kids who have never heard of "The Force."
Unless I WANT to tap and clap and march to Baby Shark, I am not going to mention that.

saying, "tick tock like a clock" was an easy go to for side to side clapping and marching.

The good update-

I now visibly snap or clap side to side myself, extra pronounced, like a windshiled wiper, over the camera, while I am beginning to talk about the song. My speech becomes more like iambic pentameter (ok, maybe not) but. am more careful to speak in a rhythm.

Student copied me well when I asked them to. (Had to define the word "echo")

After a couple of lessons, I showed the app of the ticking grandfather clock with a pendulum and student mentioned grandmother's clock on vacation. Since we had now built some time, she knew not to go off on a tangent about grandma, as she might have done in the first or second lesson.

Anyway, windshield wipers for the win. And the metronome, eventually. And an app of a ticking clock. And demonstrating clapping and marching.

Bad update-
still all over Zoom. ugh


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I like the windshield wiper comparison because they have different speeds, which may be helpful.


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