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sound of a clock- students no longer know
#3022982 09/08/20 09:49 PM
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Had a new student (yay!) and wanted to explain steady beat. The tick of a clock has always been my go to. Child had never heard a clock that makes noise. All is digital!!
I improvised and used windshield wipers for my example. We also march and clap side to side. Fortunately, she could keep a steady beat.

But, that made me think-
with digital everything nowadays, what can you use instead of the tick tock of a clock?

(plus, some random phrase overheard may think you are supporting the app of a similar name with security and privacy issues, so maybe saying tick tock is no longer good anyway?)

Suggestions?

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I have an analog clock (i.e. with hands) in my theatre lobby. There are a great many kids and even teenagers/twenty-somethings who look at that clock and then ask me what time it is.


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The rhythm must be felt. The Seiko BU 10 metronome supplement is suitable for this purpose.

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Originally Posted by missbelle
Fortunately, she could keep a steady beat.

You are lucky. Many kids are rhythmically deficient.

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YouTube. Dance videos. There's a school in China where the principal dances with the entire school. It actually looks like fun.


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60 bpm on a mechanical metronome is the sound of a clock

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Let her work with her body. Get her to stamp her feet at a steady beat, to march at a steady beat. Teach her a simple waltz. It is easier for kids when the whole body is involved than when they only listen.


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The metronome sound contaminates and distorts the piano sound; the feeling of the beat of the metronome pulse with the whole body is not heard, but it creates a rhythmic resonance. I have tested this on myself and my students.

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The sound of a mechanical metronome or mechanical clock is not quite even.

To my ears "tick" almost but not quite equals "tock."

If you look at how they work, the evenness of tempo is produced by the natural frequency of the escapement, either controlled by a pendulum or a spring-mass-damper system. The escapement moves back and forth, arresting the movement in both directions. However one direction is against the driving spring tension (or weight tension in the case of a grandfather clock) and the other direction is with it.


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Have kids sit quietly and find their pulse in their carotid artery in their neck.


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Let her work with her body. Get her to stamp her feet at a steady beat, to march at a steady beat. Teach her a simple waltz. It is easier for kids when the whole body is involved than when they only listen.


The internalization of rhythm is the premise of Dalcroze methodology. You can find a lot of information as well as exercises on the internet. I have taken some lessons from a Dalcroze instructor but I believe Peter has experience as well. I hope he will reply here.


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I am familiar with the Dalcroze method. We marched and clapped, and that is how I determined young student can keep a steady beat.

However, I have never had a student say they had never heard a clock. I thought of train tracks- click clack click clack...but trains are nowhere near here.

Yes, I do the heartbeat thing, in explaining tempo. (running = fast, resting = slow, but ALWAYS steady)

Pulling out a new shiny (metronome app, or an old fashioned swing arm) would be a distraction for a young child. Yes, I will give mom info on metronomes. But, I was looking for a quick, hey, let's march/clap steady, let's tap steady, let's bounce lightly on the keys steady...like the ticking of a clock...and then there was silence and confusion. "Clocks do not make noise! What do you mean? My mom has a watch, her tracker, should I get that?"

What else, in this modern world, keeps a steady and audible beat, to use at the first lessons for a small child?


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Originally Posted by zonzi
60 bpm on a mechanical metronome is the sound of a clock

With either mechanical or digital, 60 bpm (or 60 MM) gives you seconds, which is a great way to keep track of time doing exercises like planks. Remember to start your count at zero not one.


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The internalization of rhythm is the premise of Dalcroze methodology. You can find a lot of information as well as exercises on the internet. I have taken some lessons from a Dalcroze instructor but I believe Peter has experience as well. I hope he will reply here.
Do you remember what prompted Dalcroze to create his system? What he saw at the festivities in Algeria. How many years have I been mentioning here "The African Path of Rhythmic Education"? In groups from almost zero age ...

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I am not planking during a lesson.
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(btw, this intro lesson was over Zoom, and I had removed my face clock's batteries months ago because the computer was picking it up.)

I have mentioned in other posts, I think, that when I get parents to join in the marching and clapping, that they sometimes struggle themselves.
(Look up Elaine's dancing on Seinfeld)

So, if a parent cannot demonstrate an internalization of rhythm, how can they help their child keep a steady beat for home practice?

The parent may not even understand what is needed. "Fast and loud, sounds good to me!"

The ticking of a clock was an easy go to. Some parents have never seen a metronome. Apparently, many kids have never heard a ticking clock.
I guess windshield wipers are my go to now, and then the heartbeat.


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Hi Missbelle, I misunderstood your question. Maybe the ticking of a turn signal in a car or on the bus? Techno music? A dripping tap?


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Turn signal is good! That's the kind of suggestions I was seeking! Real world examples of steady beat, but outside of actual music.


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Turn signal is good! That's the kind of suggestions I was seeking! Real world examples of steady beat, but outside of actual music.


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Dishwasher, washing machine?


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