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How do you hear/speak to teacher on zoom?
#3020257 09/01/20 03:03 PM
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The piano has cable connected to computer/zoom directly.

I can't play the piano loud coz that will make the teacher hear 2 piano sounds (?) the one from in-line cable and the one from what my mic will pick up. So that means I have to use headset.

My headset doesn't have a microphone. (Sennheiser HD280)

The headset is connected to the piano so I only hear the piano.

Question:

How do I hear the teacher? Keep the speaker of laptop loud? Put the laptop sound on Bluetooth and stick on Bluetooth earbuds inside my headphones so I hear both the piano and whatever the teacher is saying?

Is there a better solution to this?


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Windows 10 PC, right? Are you able to listen to audio, e.g. from Youtube, through your P515's speakers or headphone? You should if you choose it as your audio output (click on the speaker icon on the task bar and select it). If you can NOT, than you need to (re)install the driver as mentioned earlier today.

Once you have this working both ways, i.e. P515 is the audio input so you can stream it to zoom, and P515 is also your audio output (you can listen to audio through it), then the next step will be making the microphone to work. Charles Cohen gave a tip on using a software called Voicemeeter. I think Charles even experimented with it to make a configuration similar to yours to work.

I was tempted to try it myself, but I did not bother as I already have this sorted out with my external AG-06 interface .


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Yes Windows 10.

I have never tried to listen to audio from Youtube through my p515 speakers or headphones. I will give it a try.


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Originally Posted by onaiplatigid
Yes Windows 10.

I have never tried to listen to audio from Youtube through my p515 speakers or headphones. I will give it a try.

It must work, if driver is working correctly. From Windows point of view, it is just one extra audio interface. I have a Roland D-05 (boutique version of D-50) and it works just like that.


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Did it work?

Originally Posted by onaiplatigid
Yes Windows 10.

I have never tried to listen to audio from Youtube through my p515 speakers or headphones. I will give it a try.


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Interested to find out as well - I was wondering if this was possible without using a mixer. I know there's a setting in the windows control panel to 'listen to this device' under the microphone settings. Honestly, as long as the teacher and student are wearing headphones, the sound of the piano shouldn't mess with the auto gain control to mute out the piano. I'm sure there's a much more sophisticated way of doing this though!

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Originally Posted by OzarkCDN
Interested to find out as well - I was wondering if this was possible without using a mixer. I know there's a setting in the windows control panel to 'listen to this device' under the microphone settings. Honestly, as long as the teacher and student are wearing headphones, the sound of the piano shouldn't mess with the auto gain control to mute out the piano. I'm sure there's a much more sophisticated way of doing this though!


Unfortunately, Windows 10 doesn't have any way of letting you say (to Zoom):

. . . "Listen to this microphone with a gain of 50,
. . . . and listen to this P515 with a gain of 20."

Zoom can only have _one_ audio input, in its own settings.

You have a choice (and there may be other possibilities as well):

. . .Use a hardware mixer to combine the P515 sound with your microphone's sound,
. . . . run the mixer's output into the computer's audio input,
. . . . and use that audio input as Zoom's audio input.

OR:

. . . Use "VoiceMeeter" software (a free download);

. . . . set input channel 1 of VoiceMeeter to your microphone;

. . . . set input channel 2 of VoiceMeeter to the P515 output;

. . . . set Zoom to use VoiceMeeter's output channel as its audio input;

. . . . Use VoiceMeeter's controls to set the relative loudness of the mic and the P515.

I have tested VoiceMeeter, and it works very nicely. It requires a soundcard (or "audio interface" channel (*)) for each of its input channels. But every laptop has a 'Mic Input" (sometimes combined with "Phones Out" in one jack), and the P515 has its own driver, that makes it look like a "USB Audio Device" to Windows (and therefore VoiceMeeter). So there's enough hardware inside a PC to handle the two inputs (voice and piano) that you need.


The nice thing about using a mixer is that you have physical wires and jacks, and it's (relatively) easy to understand the signal flow. Of course, you have to buy one . . .

VoiceMeeter (because it's software, and uses concepts like "virtual audio streams") is a bit harder to relate to. You don't have to buy anything (except possibly a USB cable), if you already have a mic that plugs into your computer. (A "gaming headset" works fine, for that.)

I'm sorry if this seems complicated. It's easier to do, than to describe -- and you only have to set it up once.

There are several videos about setting up VoiceMeeter, if you want to follow that route.


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Re: How do you hear/speak to teacher on zoom?
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I just went through something similar helping a dance teacher with online lessons.

As Charles Cohen pointed out the main audio hurdle in Zoom is that it only has 1 virtual input - it has issues mixing internal computer audio with external sounds like your P515. It can do one or the other, but mixing them causes problems with live audio from different sources (echoes, lags etc.).

I agree that using hardware mixer is a good solution. Lookup using a mix minus/minus 1/loop back feature on different mixers and audio interfaces - to see if it will work for you.

But a simplified (and cheaper) solution is to:
1. use a decent USB mic for both your voice and the P515
2. connect the headphone OUT on the computer to the AUX In on the P515.

All the audio should sync up without any extra echoes. You can listen to all your audio through the P515.

* note: disconnect the built-in P515 USB audio interface as it only complicates the Zoom setup. Just to re-iterate, it’s Zoom audio limitations that causes the main problems here.


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[EDIT] If you have an audio interface, you can use a regular microphone, in place of the USB mic. I would also suggest a cardioid condenser over a dynamic microphone. For private piano lessons in a private room, a cardioid condenser will be easier to place and it will pick up more useful sound.


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Originally Posted by Groove On
. . . But a simplified (and cheaper) solution is to:
1. use a decent USB mic for both your voice and the P515
2. connect the headphone OUT on the computer to the AUX In on the P515.

All the audio should sync up without any extra echoes. You can listen to all your audio through the P515.

Very slick! <g>

I still prefer getting the sound of a DP through wires, not through the air. But if you find the right place for the USB mic (balancing your voice, and the P515), this arrangement should work fine.

I keep forgetting that there are USB mics that are both good, and inexpensive.


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I have tried Voicemeeter. It would be perfect but in my case it produces lots of clicks and pops when I play the piano. I had to revert to loopback with my Steinberg UR44C sound card which requires a separate microphone rather than the USB one integrated in my webcam.

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Oh lord this annoyed me, I could not answer this as I was banned. Download a virtual audio cable, set the audio cable output as your microphone, open audacity window, hook up your piano, select digital piano as input, virtual audio cable input as your output, open another audacity window, select your microphone as input, select virtual audio cable input as your output, press the record button on both of them and enjoy.


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Update

I will try Voice software by Charles later and will report.

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The goal are:

-Eliminate the house of mic FOR piano (will cause ambient noise for the teacher). I want to deliver pure digital piano sound direct from the piano software. (inline? wired?)

-Avoid the use of another hardware to mix up sounds. (This will be the last resort if all options fail.)

-Make the teacher hear my voice and it's tricky where the vocals would be recorded from / delivered to?

a) headset mic (i don't have this)
b) just talk (laptop / webcam mic would pickup?)
c) a USB mic? (last resort? i already have many ways to pick up my audio, from using webcam mic to laptop mic, to my bluetooth headepiece mic)
d) my bluetooth earphones

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You could try using OBS Studio. There is a plugin for OBS Studio called "OBS Virtualcam" that transforms OBS output into a video capture device, a kind of virtual webcam, with both video and audio signals. Inside OBS you create a scene with your webcam image and a combination of any number of audio signals. Then, in Zoom you select OBS Virtualcam as both your video and audio (mic) inputs.

There are tutorials for doing this, search Google.

OBS Virtualcam: https://github.com/Fenrirthviti/obs-virtual-cam/releases


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Originally Posted by onaiplatigid
The goal are:

-Eliminate the house of mic FOR piano (will cause ambient noise for the teacher). I want to deliver pure digital piano sound direct from the piano software. (inline? wired?)

You have the P515 audio-over-USB to do that. The P515 audio output will show up as an audio _input_ on the computer:

. . . Feed it into one channel of VoiceMeeter;

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Avoid the use of another hardware to mix up sounds. (This will be the last resort if all options fail.)

If you have problems setting up the software, and your time is worth something, "hardware mixer" may be the easiest thing to get working. But try software-only, first.

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-Make the teacher hear my voice and it's tricky where the vocals would be recorded from / delivered to?

a) headset mic (i don't have this)
b) just talk (laptop / webcam mic would pickup?)
c) a USB mic? (last resort? i already have many ways to pick up my audio, from using webcam mic to laptop mic, to my bluetooth headepiece mic)
d) my bluetooth earphones
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I thought you had a 'gaming headset'. That should include a microphone. If it does:

. . . Feed that microphone into the second channel of VoiceMeeter;

If it doesn't have a microphone (unusual, for a gaming headset), use any of the other alternatives,

. . . and feed whatever you're using, into the second channel of VoiceMeeter.

Then, in Zoom, use the _output_ of VoiceMeeter as the "audio input" of Zoom.

The VoiceMeeter "channel gain" sliders will control how loud your P515, and your voice, are.

In Zoom, I suggest turning "Original Sound" _on_, and turning "automatic mic gain" _off_.


There are other ways you can configure things -- several previous posts have good ideas.


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I will try.

I only have the headset you recommended. Sennheizer


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Originally Posted by onaiplatigid
I will try.

I only have the headset you recommended. Sennheizer

Ahh, I see --

. . . The Sennheiser HD280 has no microphone.

Headphone(s) -- you can hear, but not talk.

Headset -- you can hear, and talk.

You can try the laptop's built-in microphone, as a voice input to VoiceMeeter. It won't be really good, but it might work OK. If you're close to it, it will work better.

There are inexpensive "lavalier microphones" from Boya. If you get one of those, that plugs into your laptop "Mic" jack, or a USB version, it will work fine.


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The webcam has a mike. Why not using it? If the piano is silenced by the headphone being connected, I do not see a problem. My piano teacher has been using his this way and the sound is very clear.

FWIW, about Boya lavalier Charles mentioned, I have a BY-M1, inexpensive and good quality.

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