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Re: Did I make a mistake buying this? Help??
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Here's the video of the keyboard I'm considering.. I'm just not sure if I should get the wood weighted one or the one in the video. It even as internal sounds.. even an add on chip.. plus 9 faders.. it seems so perfect.. but the limited information about it and especially with the wooden key one, has me SO ify on them..


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MelodicRevengexX #3021987 09/06/20 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by MelodicRevengexX
I would LOVE if I could find that on a keyboard that has 88 wooden keys (not balanced, and it can be a stage piano too, that's fine with me) that feels as good as people say the Kawai feels, and a load of amazing sound samples and 3 pedals + the expression pedal and both wheels.. laugh but I don't think it's invented yet unfortunately. lol One can dream.

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Thanks! smile Though.. I reallyyyy can't handle the mod and pitch wheels being at that angle.. it looks really uncomfortable. Also their site doesn't want to load for me, so I Google their keyboards and they all seem to have the same twisted at an angel mod and pitch wheel unfortunately. If you have any other suggestions, please let me know! smile

Thanks again!!


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MelodicRevengexX #3022016 09/06/20 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by MelodicRevengexX
If you have any other suggestions, please let me know! smile

What's your budget?


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Honestly it varies on how I feel that day. lol Hit me with what ever you think is best for me, and I'll pick one that looks like it's best for me, within a price I can afford. I can always save up too. Thanks! smile


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Re: Did I make a mistake buying this? Help??
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Originally Posted by MelodicRevengexX
Honestly it varies on how I feel that day. lol Hit me with what ever you think is best for me, and I'll pick one that looks like it's best for me, within a price I can afford. I can always save up too. Thanks! smile

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I'd search for a used Nord Stage 3.
I had a Montage 8 but I swapped it for a Nord Stage 3 HP 76. I really didn't like the constant Montage's menu diving... idk if KORG Kronos is the annoying too like that.


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@orvoaffamato : excellent ! But there is one point to verify : “ within a price I can afford”. I have to admit that “ within a price I can afford” is different between me and someone who has just won the lotto.

I note that with 3 clics (your link, then Pay with Paypal, and (not verified), a validation), this model is mine !! Not a big deal. smile


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Re: Did I make a mistake buying this? Help??
MelodicRevengexX #3022081 09/06/20 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by MelodicRevengexX
then again.. buying the chip is still tempting.. because other MIDI only fader boxes can be WAY more expensive..
Did you check for the various ones I mentioned in my earlier reply to you? See post 3017518 at http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthre...ha-motif-rack-es-owners.html#Post3017518
Using a USB based one is also viable, with the slight added nuisance of an additional device needed to do the conversion, as clothearednincompo alluded to above.

Originally Posted by MelodicRevengexX
I can't really fit two pianos in there, and having them on top of each other would annoy me, because that would mean I have to stand to play one or else risk my form and posture and maybe risk hurting my hands playing at some weird angle while sitting.
Not necessarily. A Hammond B3 (and many other kinds of organs, for that matter) stack multiple sets of keys and are designed to be played while sitting. But you'd then want to give some thought to the ergonomics of the keyboards for that purpose. For example, you'd probably want to select a bottom board that allows you to keep the keys of the second board close to those of the first.

Originally Posted by MelodicRevengexX
I would LOVE if I could find that on a keyboard that has 88 wooden keys (not balanced, and it can be a stage piano too, that's fine with me) that feels as good as people say the Kawai feels, and a load of amazing sound samples and 3 pedals + the expression pedal and both wheels {and faders}.. laugh but I don't think it's invented yet unfortunately.
Getting the action you want is the trickiest part of that, but actions being such a subjective thing, I wouldn't want to rule out the possibility that you might be perfectly happy with some other hammer action that's used in a board that has the other things you want. You said you came close to buying a DGX660. If you found that even close to acceptable in feel, there are probably plenty of other boards you would find very acceptable even without wooden keys, etc.

And remember, you can always add pedals for your VST work. I know you said "I know I can add pedals and stuff onto the keyboard using external midi devices but I want to limit the wires stretching across my room" but there are ways of doing it neatly, and honestly, considering that you've also talked about adding a fader box and multiple sound modules, an extra cable or two for more pedals will probably not even be noticed. ;-)

I don't know if you saw my post 3016225 in one of your earlier threads, but it dealt with some of the issues being talked about here as well... http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthre...ard-with-these-features.html#Post3016225

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That is the best troll ever. That actually made me laugh out loud. I love that. LOL Thanks for the laugh. laugh It's rare people online can get me to actually "lol" lol So congrats on that accomplishment. haha


OK OK.. $3K is the max. lol

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Re: Did I make a mistake buying this? Help??
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Originally Posted by orcoaffamato
I had a Montage 8 but I swapped it for a Nord Stage 3 HP 76. I really didn't like the constant Montage's menu diving... idk if KORG Kronos is the annoying too like that.
Yes, the Kronos works more like a Montage. Lots of navigation to different pages. Sometimes not as much because, for example, if you're combining 16 parts, Kronos will show all 16 on the screen at once, whereas with Montage, you'll flip between 1-8 and 9-16 but the trade-off there is that fitting 16 channels of info on the screen at once makes everything quite small and so harder to work with in a different way. And Kronos still probably has more paging in total because of its different modes and different engines. Kronos probably has more total capability, but I find Montage/MODX easier to navigate overall. Though there's also a cool iPad app for Kronos that opens up more interface possibilities.

Nord obviously is much more direct than either Montage or Kronos. But there's a different trade-off. To use the above example of how to approach combining 16 parts, Nord avoids the problem by only allowing you to combine 8 parts... further limited to two piano sounds, two organs, two synth/sampled sounds, and two sounds from an external sound source. But that's the difference in philosophy in a nutshell. Kronos/Montage let you do almost anything you can think of. Nord limits you to doing far fewer things... but they are the things that people most often need, and it usually does those things more directly and easily. (That said, I'm not sure it's a good match for what the OP is looking for.)

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Oh yea, I 100% checked out everything you wrote, thanks so much! smile You're always helping me out and trust me, I read it ALL lol, and research everything you suggest ALL the time! I really appreciate you taking the time to help me out with advice! I'm going to do some pretty interesting things in music in the future, so you helping me with knowledge and advice is an investment in your personal time that won't go in vein, grin even if you don't actually see the end results due to this being online, and mostly anonymous, or if you do, you won't know it's me. lol

I think I'm reallyyyy nearing what I want.. I think I want the Viscount K4 EX.. BUT.. I want the weighted wooden key version (which is apparently rare. Great.). It has all the faders I want, PLUS 8 Midi Outs and I think 9 pedal can be added in all. It even supports the 3 main piano pedals I want.. and expressions and other pedals. It will also automatically sense what type of pedal it is once inserted. The ONLY problems I have are.. I heard the internal sounds are.. meh.. just fine, as they are not samples.. BUT lol It has an internal sound generator that allows me to create my own unique grand piano.. I lets me chose string size, the type of material on the mallets of the keys etc. BUT.. if the main piano sounds are just.. ok sounding, can I create something using their engine that sounds better than the pianos they offer already... can I create something better using their own engine than what they could create? Seems unlikely lol ...BUT#4 lol This came out around 2014 I think, and they offer firmware updates.. and I call Viscount on the phone and asked the guy a million questions,and he said the random updates can up date EVERYTHING.. it can update and improve the interface.. and it can add more instruments.. or more samples.. or it can even update EXISTING instrument sounds, and make them sound better.. BUT#5 There's NO audio of a current one being played in 2020.. lol Anywhere.. So.. I would just have to take my chances with that one IF I decide to get it. From what I did hear of the grand piano.. honestly? It sounded more than just fine.. it sounds pretty decently good imo. NOT great. but good. Great, is most Yamaha and Kawai Grands to me.


That keyboard is also REALLY blue, a pretty blue to be fair, but still, REALLY blue. lol That bothers me a bit.. but that's just a nit pic that I can get over after owning it for a while. lol It's in my 3K price range too. Which is great! This keyboard seems perfect..

Here it is: https://www.viscountinstruments.us/physis-piano-k4-199.html

Here's a youtube video of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH68yLkecwE&t=26s



My questions now are.. NOW that I have found a keyboard that has the 3 main piano pedals.. You know how the Yamaha Motif Rack XS has built in sample sounds that are very high quality, sound great, and the module is just PACKED to the brim with 1000's of samples of instruments? Well.. what I'm curious about, is there a rack that's JUST like that.. but has ONLY amazing (Yamaha and Kawai level) piano samples that can be used with the 3 main piano pedals being the Sustain Pedal, Soft Pedal, and Sostenuto Pedals for when I want to start playing classical music? Like THAT.. I don't HAVE to rely on the internal ok-ish piano sounds of the Viscount K4 EX to play classical anything.. I can have a module. I know the Yamaha Motif Rack XS has some nice Grand Piano and pianos in general.. but I know they don't work with the triple piano pedals, only sustain. I looked it up and people said the Motif lines just don't have that "advanced" technology. lol I guess thats one of the rare short comings of the Motif lines, but something I can live with. smile So, is there a module that has amazing piano sounds, the FULLY supports all 3 pedals? and even better? Is there a module that just as the Viscount K4 EX, allows me to ALSO customize my own grand piano and make my own? the customizing part isn't a deal breaker though, because idk if it exists. lol So just as long as the Midi Module can play all types of amazing sounding piano sample sounds and utilize the 3 Sustain Pedal, Soft Pedal, and Sostenuto Pedals, I'll be good. Also, is it as electric piano sounds too, even better. My main concern, are high quality Grand piano sample sounds, that work with the 3 pedals.

I know I can connect a commuter, and find something maybe, but as you know, I want this to be a computer-less setup that will allow me to create without having to turn on a computer and load up vsts and a DAW. I will be doing that, but only for when I'm ready to record or demo something. Plus, I think physical modules sound much better than virtual modules because they're not being emulated, which can sound ify at times from my experiance.

Also, on the Viscount keyboard, if I plug in let's say 8 different Midi sound modules like the Yamaha Motif Rack XS for example, into all 8 of its Midi Outs.. and put each of them on a different instrument.. then.. if I play a C major chord, will ALL 8 of the instruments from all ALL 8 modules play a C major cord flawlessly together through my keyboards Amp or speakers? and if I want to record it all into Garageband on my Mac using Midi, will they all appear together as if it's only ONE midi channel/signal? Also, will all 8 of the sounds JUST as I hear them through my keyboards amp or speakers, sound the exact same once recorded via midi?



Lastly, are there any more master keyboards (I think that's the term people call them?) like this Viscount K4 EX that have ALL of the features of this keyboard, as in all the faders, 2 or more wheels, 3 piano pedals, plus expression pedal, plus more pedals if possible, plus Multiple Midi Outs, PLUS 88 Hammer-Action Weighted wooden keys with Aftertouch, that maybe have better internal sounds in then than this Viscount one? Perhaps in black. lol But it can be any color. :P

My price limit for the keyboard is about $3500, I think. lol and for the piano sound module, my budget can be $1000 I guess? but my budgets are subject to change if something really sways my enough and makes a connection with me enough..

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Re: Did I make a mistake buying this? Help??
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This is a comment that I just left to a user here, called AnotherScott. I'm going to copy paste it here to you, because I basically want to tell you the EXACT same stuff, and ask you the EXACT same questions, and I'm not typing all that out again.. haha So here you go! smile Thanks again!! I really appreciate all your help! grin








I think I'm reallyyyy nearing what I want.. I think I want the Viscount K4 EX.. BUT.. I want the weighted wooden key version (which is apparently rare. Great.). It has all the faders I want, PLUS 8 Midi Outs and I think 9 pedal can be added in all. It even supports the 3 main piano pedals I want.. and expressions and other pedals. It will also automatically sense what type of pedal it is once inserted. The ONLY problems I have are.. I heard the internal sounds are.. meh.. just fine, as they are not samples.. BUT lol It has an internal sound generator that allows me to create my own unique grand piano.. I lets me chose string size, the type of material on the mallets of the keys etc. BUT.. if the main piano sounds are just.. ok sounding, can I create something using their engine that sounds better than the pianos they offer already... can I create something better using their own engine than what they could create? Seems unlikely lol ...BUT#4 lol This came out around 2014 I think, and they offer firmware updates.. and I call Viscount on the phone and asked the guy a million questions,and he said the random updates can up date EVERYTHING.. it can update and improve the interface.. and it can add more instruments.. or more samples.. or it can even update EXISTING instrument sounds, and make them sound better.. BUT#5 There's NO audio of a current one being played in 2020.. lol Anywhere.. So.. I would just have to take my chances with that one IF I decide to get it. From what I did hear of the grand piano.. honestly? It sounded more than just fine.. it sounds pretty decently good imo. NOT great. but good. Great, is most Yamaha and Kawai Grands to me.


That keyboard is also REALLY blue, a pretty blue to be fair, but still, REALLY blue. lol That bothers me a bit.. but that's just a nit pic that I can get over after owning it for a while. lol It's in my 3K price range too. Which is great! This keyboard seems perfect..

Here it is: https://www.viscountinstruments.us/physis-piano-k4-199.html

Here's a youtube video of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH68yLkecwE&t=26s



My questions now are.. NOW that I have found a keyboard that has the 3 main piano pedals.. You know how the Yamaha Motif Rack XS has built in sample sounds that are very high quality, sound great, and the module is just PACKED to the brim with 1000's of samples of instruments? Well.. what I'm curious about, is there a rack that's JUST like that.. but has ONLY amazing (Yamaha and Kawai level) piano samples that can be used with the 3 main piano pedals being the Sustain Pedal, Soft Pedal, and Sostenuto Pedals for when I want to start playing classical music? Like THAT.. I don't HAVE to rely on the internal ok-ish piano sounds of the Viscount K4 EX to play classical anything.. I can have a module. I know the Yamaha Motif Rack XS has some nice Grand Piano and pianos in general.. but I know they don't work with the triple piano pedals, only sustain. I looked it up and people said the Motif lines just don't have that "advanced" technology. lol I guess thats one of the rare short comings of the Motif lines, but something I can live with. smile So, is there a module that has amazing piano sounds, the FULLY supports all 3 pedals? and even better? Is there a module that just as the Viscount K4 EX, allows me to ALSO customize my own grand piano and make my own? the customizing part isn't a deal breaker though, because idk if it exists. lol So just as long as the Midi Module can play all types of amazing sounding piano sample sounds and utilize the 3 Sustain Pedal, Soft Pedal, and Sostenuto Pedals, I'll be good. Also, is it as electric piano sounds too, even better. My main concern, are high quality Grand piano sample sounds, that work with the 3 pedals.

I know I can connect a commuter, and find something maybe, but as you know, I want this to be a computer-less setup that will allow me to create without having to turn on a computer and load up vsts and a DAW. I will be doing that, but only for when I'm ready to record or demo something. Plus, I think physical modules sound much better than virtual modules because they're not being emulated, which can sound ify at times from my experiance.

Also, on the Viscount keyboard, if I plug in let's say 8 different Midi sound modules like the Yamaha Motif Rack XS for example, into all 8 of its Midi Outs.. and put each of them on a different instrument.. then.. if I play a C major chord, will ALL 8 of the instruments from all ALL 8 modules play a C major cord flawlessly together through my keyboards Amp or speakers? and if I want to record it all into Garageband on my Mac using Midi, will they all appear together as if it's only ONE midi channel/signal? Also, will all 8 of the sounds JUST as I hear them through my keyboards amp or speakers, sound the exact same once recorded via midi?



Lastly, are there any more master keyboards (I think that's the term people call them?) like this Viscount K4 EX that have ALL of the features of this keyboard, as in all the faders, 2 or more wheels, 3 piano pedals, plus expression pedal, plus more pedals if possible, plus Multiple Midi Outs, PLUS 88 Hammer-Action Weighted wooden keys with Aftertouch, that maybe have better internal sounds in then than this Viscount one? Perhaps in black. lol But it can be any color. :P

My price limit for the keyboard is about $3500, I think. lol and for the piano sound module, my budget can be $1000 I guess? but my budgets are subject to change if something really sways me enough and makes a connection with me enough..

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On the Viscount K4 EX keyboard, if I plug in let's say 8 different Midi sound modules like the Yamaha Motif Rack XS for example, into all 8 of its Midi Outs.. and put each of them on a different instrument.. then.. if I play a C major chord, will ALL 8 of the instruments from all ALL 8 modules play a C major cord flawlessly together through my keyboards Amp or speakers? and if I want to record it all into Garageband on my Mac using Midi, will they all appear together as if it's only ONE midi channel/signal? Also, will all 8 of the sounds JUST as I hear them through my keyboards amp or speakers, sound the exact same once recorded via midi?

Lastly, are there any more master keyboards (I think that's the term people call them?) like this Viscount K4 EX that have ALL of the features of this keyboard, as in all the faders, 2 or more wheels, 3 piano pedals, plus expression pedal, plus more pedals if possible, plus Multiple Midi Outs, PLUS 88 Hammer-Action Weighted wooden keys with Aftertouch, that maybe have better internal sounds in then than this Viscount one? Perhaps in black? lol But it can be any color. :P




Thanks for your help! IF I go with the Viscount keyboard.. it will be all thanks to you for chiming in. smile Thanks again so much!! grin

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UPDATE: The seller on Reverb just gave me a full refund for the Peavey fader module, after making me wait more than a day just for him to press the refund button. THANK GOD I got the refund. lol I read some articles about Reverb sellers being sticklers with refunding money on mistake purchases, even if they aren't shipped yet.. to the point that they will attempt to offer you a partial refund and keep 10%. I'd report them to Reverb on the phone in a heartbeat and demand my money back. Reverb would get a mouthful from me. lol BUT.. at least all is well! smile

Anyways. I know better for next time on Reverb. Especially with old obscure equipment from the 90's that has little to no information on it online. lol



I hope this forum post/bad experiance at least helps someone else out in the future who may be considering that Peavey fader module as a means to control their Midi sound module or keyboard. Don't buy it, unless you can track down that obscure custom made chip (mentioned earlier in this forum post by another user) to make it understand and process CC data. Which costs about $100 btw.. Or unless you want to use it with the old software it comes with. Which could be glitchy or just not work at all on current operating systems for all I know. lol Buy it at your own risk.

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Originally Posted by MelodicRevengexX
Viscount K4 EX...I heard the internal sounds are.. meh.. just fine, as they are not samples.
The pianos, EPs, harpsichord, and mallet sounds are modeled. The rest are sample based. There is no inherent sonic advantage of one over the other... e.g. some people think the modeled Pianoteq VST sounds better than the Ivory sampled ones, others think the reverse, same with Roland's modeled V-Piano vs. others, so don't jump to conclusions there.

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updates can up date EVERYTHING.. it can update and improve the interface.. and it can add more instruments.. or more samples.. or it can even update EXISTING instrument sounds, and make them sound better..
The physis is completely software upgradable... but just because they say it CAN be upgraded in all these ways doesn't mean it ever WILL. I believe the last upgrade was in 2018. I wouldn't buy it in anticipation of future upgrades, I'd consider it a bonus if they came.

Originally Posted by MelodicRevengexX
You know how the Yamaha Motif Rack XS has built in sample sounds that are very high quality, sound great, and the module is just PACKED to the brim with 1000's of samples of instruments? Well.. what I'm curious about, is there a rack that's JUST like that.. but has ONLY amazing (Yamaha and Kawai level) piano samples that can be used with the 3 main piano pedals being the Sustain Pedal, Soft Pedal, and Sostenuto Pedals...is there a module that has amazing piano sounds, the FULLY supports all 3 pedals?
Nothing but a Yamaha will be JUST like a Yamaha. Even if it has as many sounds, they won't be the same sounds, and many people do find Yamaha's acoustic instrument sounds for example to be better than those from other brands. But to the greater issue of a piano module (and you did talk about the possibility of employing multiple modules anyway, so then no single module has to do everything), the two piano-centric modules that come to mind are...

https://www.v3sound.com/en/e-product-grand-piano-xxl.html - which I have not played/heard personally

and

https://www.dexibell.com/prodotto/vivo-sx7/?lang=en --- I have played a Dexibell keyboard with the same sounds, and while the pianos they ship with it are just okay, I really liked a couple of the optional "platinum" pianos you could load into it. The dexibell has 1.5 GB of memory you can allocate as desired... which means that the more memory you devote to piano, the less memory you have available for other sounds.

I don't know off-hand about their triple pedal support, though... you'll have to research that. But as piano-centric modules, I'd say if at least one of these doesn't't do it, probably nothing does. If you download their manuals, you should be able to locate a MIDI implementation chart which will tell you if it recognizes 3 separate CCs for the three piano pedal functions.

Originally Posted by MelodicRevengexX
even better? Is there a module that just as the Viscount K4 EX, allows me to ALSO customize my own grand piano and make my own?
While it is common for modules and keboards to offer some sound customization possibilities, the kind of detailed customization that the H4 permits requires modeled (rather than sampled) pianos, and those are more rare.

Originally Posted by MelodicRevengexX
I know I can connect a commuter, and find something maybe, but as you know, I want this to be a computer-less setup that will allow me to create without having to turn on a computer and load up vsts and a DAW. I will be doing that, but only for when I'm ready to record or demo something.
For the times you do want to use a computer, just for playing, you may be able to streamline operation a bit by forgoing the DAW and instead use a simpler VST hosting program (e.g. since you have a Mac, you can use Gig Performer, Camelot Pro, Mainstage). Also, if you have an iPad/iPhone, you may find suitable pianos there. Simpler and quicker to set up than a computer. Consensus seems to be that while iOS still doesn't have pianos as good as what you can get on a piano, it has some very good ones that are better than what is in a lot of hardware. Lowest latency is still in hardware, though.

Originally Posted by MelodicRevengexX
Plus, I think physical modules sound much better than virtual modules because they're not being emulated
This tends to be true when you're talking about analog gear. But once you're talking about digital, code is code, ones and zeros are ones and zeros. There is no inherent reason for a piano sample to sound better on a keyboard than from a computer. Though in some cases it may feel better, due to less latency, or the manufacturer's skill at matching an action's velocity response to their supplied sample set.

Originally Posted by MelodicRevengexX
Also, on the Viscount keyboard, if I plug in let's say 8 different Midi sound modules like the Yamaha Motif Rack XS for example, into all 8 of its Midi Outs.. and put each of them on a different instrument.. then.. if I play a C major chord, will ALL 8 of the instruments from all ALL 8 modules play a C major cord flawlessly together through my keyboards Amp or speakers?
You'll need a mixer to take the outputs of the 8 modules and send them to your amp/speakers. Which modules will or will not play simultaneously will depend on what MIDI channels you assign their sounds to (and possibly what routing you enable in the K4).

Originally Posted by MelodicRevengexX
and if I want to record it all into Garageband on my Mac using Midi, will they all appear together as if it's only ONE midi channel/signal? Also, will all 8 of the sounds JUST as I hear them through my keyboards amp or speakers, sound the exact same once recorded via midi?
Recording MIDI doesn't record ANY sound. MIDI is a way of sending instructions from one device to another, NOT audio. If you record MIDI intended for 8 devices into a DAW, it will not sound like what you played unless you connect those same 8 devices to your computer when you play the file back. If you want to record/capture your performance with those sounds and be able to hear it on playback without having all that gear attached, you need to record the audio. Recording the MIDI won't do it.

Originally Posted by MelodicRevengexX
Lastly, are there any more master keyboards (I think that's the term people call them?) like this Viscount K4 EX that have ALL of the features of this keyboard, as in all the faders, 2 or more wheels, 3 piano pedals, plus expression pedal, plus more pedals if possible, plus Multiple Midi Outs, PLUS 88 Hammer-Action Weighted wooden keys with Aftertouch, that maybe have better internal sounds in then than this Viscount one? Perhaps in black. lol But it can be any color. :P
Not quite all the MIDI functionality of the K4, but I think the new Roland Fantom 8 comes pretty close to what you're asking for. It's just a little beyond your $3500 cutoff. Which probably means it's the right board for you, because the right thing is always just a little more than the max you wanted to spend. ;-)

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p.s. (too late to edit", where I said "Consensus seems to be that while iOS still doesn't have pianos as good as what you can get on a piano" was supposed to be "Consensus seems to be that while iOS still doesn't have pianos as good as what you can get on a computer"

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Thanks for the advice! grin Hey, remember how you said that I can make a usb fader box into a midi controller fader box to give me a fader box for my Yamaha Motif Rack XS so I can have assignable faders to use it with when I connect it to a keyboard controller? Can you link me to the best converter you know of? That actually seems like a great idea. Thanks! smile


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