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Re: Kawai Novus NV10 - Hands On
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Gombessa, I tease about the hybrids, but in reality you are right (excepting the N2; that is a lemon). grin

Now, that being said, conventional ‘digital’ pianos are much more realistic nowadays, and to really set hybrids apart, manufacturers need to up the ante and not just throw in a ‘real’ action and call it a day.

I believe that the ‘hybrids’ still need better sampling/modeling, soundboard, top-notch factory regulation, and perhaps even better/newer sensor tech. heck, I wouldn’t mind if they used some string-like component where the hammers strike and the ‘strings’ vibrate akin to a real piano whilst also working alongside optical sensors in better transmitting the player’s intentions.

I believe the Alpha piano uses a sort of ‘strike-point’ material where real hammers actually strike, but this is nowhere near something that is malleable and nimble like a string. Of course, the ‘strings’ will not run the full length of a real grand, but instead be much shorter whilst still providing some useful vibrations, data, and why not, even resonance (sympathetic?).



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Okay, but you must at least agree on the fact that the N3X is overpriced!

I do agree on that 🙂 (since we are on the nv10 thread my point was more on the nv10 having really impressed me). The form factor of the n3x is nice cause still smaller than a real grand and somewhat visually pleasing to me (I like the nv10 action but gosh is the back panel ugly). But otherwise yes the interface is 10 years behind and the action the same as the 3 times cheaper n1x.

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I also want Neotex! wink


I am eagerly awaiting Kawai's answer to the n3x (NV20 ?), where I would expect Neotex keys and a soundboard with a similar tech as the NV5. Would it be expensive? Definitely 😅. But given that the next level requires getting a house to put a grand piano in, if you are on a quest for the acoustic-like feel, you are "cornered" in the hybrid niche 🙃.


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There are a lot of insightful discussions on action regulations, repetition speed etc for hybrid pianos like NV10. I have a specific question for CyberGene. When CG first got his N1X, he said that he was not willing to let any non Yamaha tech to regulate the action since the sensors under the keys are pretty rigid. I know Cybrid has a different design which only contains the hammer sensor but given that CG already had some experience on regulating the Cybrid, is it possible that a regular piano tech is able to regulate any hybrid action, as long as they are able to dissemble the unit?

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Theoretically, yes. One important evolution of the hybrid design would be to make it more easily serviceable, as I seem to recall threads here that said it took over an hour (or hours) to disassemble the piano enough to access the action. On an acoustic piano, removing the action is maybe a 10 minute job, max.


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There’s the N3 service manual available on the Internet and the regulation procedure for the action seems fairly straightforward and every piano tech should be able to perform it easily. What I meant back then is some of the parameters are slightly different than usual, e.g. escapement is 3mm rather than the standard 1-2mm. So, the tech still needs to look up a bunch of parameters specific to the hybrid instrument rather than only using common knowledge. But other than that it should be exactly the same IMO.

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Originally Posted by terminaldegree
Theoretically, yes. One important evolution of the hybrid design would be to make it more easily serviceable, as I seem to recall threads here that said it took over an hour (or hours) to disassemble the piano enough to access the action. On an acoustic piano, removing the action is maybe a 10 minute job, max.
Well, my Yamaha NU1 has two boards to remove, which I think is 5 screws, fallboard then lifts out, and finally the key cover (has the visible red felt at back of keys and is separate from the fallboard) 2 more screws. That gives you access to the action for servicing and regulating. That's 5 mins or less, maybe more if you're unfamiliar.

As CyberGene says there are some non-standard specifications for regulation, but I suspect any competent tech would be able to regulate it without difficulty. The light sensor components do need to be handled carefully, for example when removing keys (or hammers in an N1/2/3(X)). I did some lost motion and let off adjustment myself (thank you Howard Piano Industries).

By design I guess you could eliminate the screws, and perhaps leave a print of the main adjustment specifications inside the front cover. What else would be needed? Maybe techs don't need or want the work. Digital, nah, I don't touch them. Luddites wink

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Originally Posted by terminaldegree
Theoretically, yes. One important evolution of the hybrid design would be to make it more easily serviceable, as I seem to recall threads here that said it took over an hour (or hours) to disassemble the piano enough to access the action. On an acoustic piano, removing the action is maybe a 10 minute job, max.

I think the N3X might be more complicated, but it's fairly easy to access the action on the N1X. It's not as easy as a Kawai acoustic that doesn't require any tools, but it's still fairly simple to do with a screwdriver.

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It's equally simple with the NV10. You don't pull the action out like with an acoustic, but removing the boards in question can be done in well under 10min, if you know what to do.

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Originally Posted by navindra
I want to know where Gombessa shops that he can get a GB1K for $8999?

There was a thread over in the Piano Forum just a few weeks back where a buyer got one new for $9500 with free (long distance) shipping and no sales tax. Also, the standard Costco price was around the $9.5k range, too. Myself, several years back when I was shopping for a hybrid, I saw a GB1K advertised outright for under $10k (before any negotiation):

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Dunno what the pandemic is doing to piano prices (all the shops I've visited before are closed up or by-appointment-only now) but I always figured that was the going ballpark rate for the GB1K. Navindra, curious to hear what prices you were seeing?

I believe the prices I was seeing were closer to what's quoted at the top of that thread you linked. In the $11k-$12k range. The GL10 was $10k or lower, I believe.

Good to hear of the Return of The MacMacMac!

I'm sure he could definitely get a GB1K at < $8999... smile

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Hello everyone...

I just received my NV10.
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I have a question about software update. Mine has software version 1.0.2, while the version on Kawai’s website 1.0.2m.
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I am not sure if this means that I need to install the update or if I already have the latest.

If I need to update it, is the 1.0.2m a stable version? Are there any pre-cautions I should know about before updating?

Does the software have anything to do with the region? Since some regions have bluetooth and others do not, does it differ with the software?


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Hello Seif,

Glad to see that your NV10 arrived safely.

Please note that that screen in the UI only indicates the touchpanel software version (which v1.0.2 - the latest available).

However, this screen does not indicate the system software version. This can only be checked by pressing and holding the centre and right pedals, then turning on the instrument. I expect your NV10 will be running v1.0.2f or later, but not the most recent v1.0.2m version, which was released last month.

The v1.0.2m update is indeed stable, and fixes some issues in the previous version reported by forum members.

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Does the software have anything to do with the region? Since some regions have bluetooth and others do not, does it differ with the software?

Ah, that's a good point. There are different builds of the NV10 software depending on the market region. Some regions do not have Bluetooth certification, therefore in these regions, the function is disabled. May I ask you to confirm where you are based, please?

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Hello Seif,

Glad to see that your NV10 arrived safely.

Hi James,

Thank you. I still don’t know how I bought this without trying it, but after receiving and playing on it, I believe I made a wonderful decision.

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May I ask you to confirm where you are based, please?

I am based in Kuwait. Do I need to be somewhere else for the Bluetooth to work? 😊


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I checked the firmware version, and I found this:
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Does this mean that the Bluetooth is disabled in the EU region? Now that I am not in Europe, I am hoping that I can download a version that enables back the Bluetooth. Can I?


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Congrats Seif, I'm glad it worked out!

I discovered that it's possible to invoke a "sales area confirm" screen on the Novus, but I'm not sure how to operate it. Bluetooth works in the US, FYI. My guess is that it should be possible to enable Bluetooth by changing the sales area to the US.

Perhaps James can assist offline.

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Originally Posted by Seif Maher
I checked the firmware version, and I found this:
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Does this mean that the Bluetooth is disabled in the EU region? Now that I am not in Europe, I am hoping that I can download a version that enables back the Bluetooth. Can I?

May I ask you to confirm where you purchased your NV10 from, please?
According to this check screen, it was from a region that does not have Bluetooth certification for the NV10.

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Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by Seif Maher
I checked the firmware version, and I found this:
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Does this mean that the Bluetooth is disabled in the EU region? Now that I am not in Europe, I am hoping that I can download a version that enables back the Bluetooth. Can I?

May I ask you to confirm where you purchased your NV10 from, please?
According to this check screen, it was from a region that does not have Bluetooth certification for the NV10.

Kind regards,
James
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I purchased it from Dubai, and had it shipped to my location in Kuwait.


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Originally Posted by Seif Maher
I purchased it from Dubai, and had it shipped to my location in Kuwait.

Okay, I see. Thank you.

Unfortunately, Kawai instruments exported to Dubai leave the factory with Bluetooth disabled.

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Originally Posted by Kawai James
Originally Posted by Seif Maher
I purchased it from Dubai, and had it shipped to my location in Kuwait.

Okay, I see. Thank you.

Unfortunately, Kawai instruments exported to Dubai leave the factory with Bluetooth disabled.

Kind regards,
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I see,

Thank you so much for your help anyway.


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Hello guys...

By the time I was thinking about buying the NV10, I was hoping to see some product assembly videos. I am not good at making videos, but I took some photos of the process. Maybe it helps someone else.

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The wrapped leg:
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Unwrapped leg:
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