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I am a rookie and I think I want to upgrade...Already.
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Never having played piano I bought a brand new Casio PX 870 this past November. I’ve been taking lessons since then, minus a few months late Spring because of the coronavirus, and practice almost daily. I was back to a weekly lesson July 1.

For the most part I feel the Casio sounds nice... very nice. I really like the textured surface on the white and black keys. I do have a few white keys that have rattled a bit right from the start. I called a local Casio service repair and I’m taking it in to have these fixed before the 1 yr warranty expires shortly.

Another issue is a ‘whooshing’ sound I get when holding down the sustain pedal (right pedal) then playing the higher notes. The note/notes sustain nicely but I’ll hear this background whooshing sound coming through the speakers while the pedal is depressed then notes struck. The whoosh sounds something like one of those white noise machines produce for an ocean surf.LOL. Once the pedal is released the whoosh stops along with the sustain, of course. Oddly, if I play a higher note/notes then press sustain the whoosh sound is not there. The notes sustain, but no whoosh. It only happens when notes are played after depressing the pedal. I’m not sure if this is the nature of the beast or if the pedal unit or keyboard has a problem. I just noticed this recently but it may have been there from the start. I am going to mention it when I take it in for service.

Anyway, assuming all the above is repaired, I think I still want to upgrade. Why? The reason? The short key length pivot is driving me nuts. I really have to press hard when nearing the fall board. I’m 61 now and I’m having some minor joint issues and I doubt this helps. Halfway up the blacks ya really got press! Even without the joint issues this is a problem for me.

When I drop off the Casio for repair I’m going to stop at a Piano store. They have a lot of Kawai and Yamaha digital pianos. I’ve heard Yamahas are bright sounding, Kawai’s more mellow... but I take this with a grain of salt. I do prefer a more mellow sound. I play nylon string guitar and prefer a cedar top, which is sorta more mellow than a spruce top.... for what that’s worth. I’m thinking of spending about 4K. Maybe something along the line of the CA79. I don’t care about a bunch of different instrument sounds. The Casino has 19 I think and that is more than enough. I keep it on default piano 90%+ of the time. Any recommendations?

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The "weird" sound with sustain pedal is probably just the resonance simulation. There's probably a way to turn it off.

Rattling keys and a short pivot length seems to be a Casio thing, so maybe it really makes sense to upgrade.

Then again there are people here that have Privias and like them and "have never had any issues".

The mileages do vary.

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Hmmmmm... Good point. I gotta read the manual to find out how to turn off the resonance. We’ll see what that does. Thanks for the tip.

I like really like the way the Privia sounds and plays.... except towards the back half of the keys.

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Originally Posted by Muskellunge
Hmmmmm... Good point. I gotta read the manual to find out how to turn off the resonance. We’ll see what that does. Thanks for the tip.

I like really like the way the Privia sounds and plays.... except towards the back half of the keys.

Short pivot problems eh ? We feel ya. Everyone gets that stress around here.

Even basic basic acoustic pianos have 22-24cm pivots. You'd pay at least a $2K for that on DP.

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There is always an upgrade path$

But you didn't buy cheap to begin with. It would take a significant investment to go up from a top of the line Casio PX. Unless your only complain is the action. I think you could go for the new CLP 700 line. 745 or 775. We should get more reviews soon enough.


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I think the whoosh is not the pedal resonance (to be honest, I do not understand what this means) but the "sustain pedal noise" (on Pianoteq) or "Damper noise" (on my ES8). Look for similar settings on you 870.


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Yes, the "whoosh" is a pedal noise or resonance setting; it's intended to mimic the sound of all the dampers coming all the strings at the same time. On most DPs, you'll hear the whoosh when you depress and sometimes let go of the damper pedal, and not when you play any individual keys.

If your pedal/DP support half-pedaling, then sometimes the whoosh only happens when you press and release the pedal quickly/firmly. If you press it gently, the woosh will be quieter or non-existent. Pianists are usually trained to modulate their pedaling to minimize the occurrence of these kinds of pedal noises when they play.


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The Cadio PX870 is not a bad dp for the price (I've been using a similar model for gigging for years) but you're gonna love the Kawai CA-79!

If you're in Southern California, you can pick up a brand new CA-79 for $3070 + sales tax. Outside CA, $3070 plus shipping but no sales tax.

If you've made the decision to upgrade, try to sell the Casio while it's still under warranty.

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I still gotta check the manual for various resonance settings. That’s probably what the whoosh is, as it doesn’t really sound like a flaw. Just needs to be toned down some.

Where can I find a new ca79 for $3070 in Cali? I’m in Michigan.

Thanks,

Muskie

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I think that is so awesome you are learning piano! I'm in my forties trying to learn guitar and I am not at all happy with my progress. I'm looking for a new digital piano. I have looked at some of the Casios, but I am really interested in the new Yamaha CLP700 series. The 795GP looks really nice! And the AvantGrand N1X is nice too, but I don't really like the control panel (looks very old).


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I wish I woulda started piano when I was 50, I’d have over 11 yrs in now. Ha!

You’ll find your progress in guitar will happen in plateaus. Keep at it, you’ll get better. Soon the things you struggle with now will become second nature.... for sure.

Guitar is a very practical instrument. Many people have em. Extremely portable. And you’re not facing a wall while practicing. LOL.

Muskie.

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Originally Posted by Muskellunge
The short key length pivot is driving me nuts. I really have to press hard when nearing the fall board. I’m 61 now and I’m having some minor joint issues and I doubt this helps. Halfway up the blacks ya really got press! Even without the joint issues this is a problem for me.
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I’m thinking of spending about 4K. Maybe something along the line of the CA79

Hi Muskie, I had the exact same problem. I developed joint problems; I am 10 years younger than you and am also a beginner (~2 years now). I had a more expensive digital piano, the CA58, with relatively long pivot length (but a bit shorter than CA79 I think). It is not only the pivot length, but also other factors that determine the amount of force that your joints will endure. Reading a lot about experiences of others here in this forum, I decided in the end to trade in my CA58 in for a silent piano, the K300 ATX3. It has been pointed out in this forum that DP actions and real piano actions are fundamentally different, and holding keys down can be lighter in a 'real' action because of how they work. This is also my experience after trying out many DP and acoustic piano's. And the K300 has a relatively light action I think. If you do not want an acoustic you could consider the Kawai NV-5, which should have a similar 'real' action (haven't tested this though)

For me, switch to a 'real' action has been a joint-saver, and hence piano playing saver. The problems stopped almost immediately, even though I play more. I honestly think I would had have to quit playing otherwise.

Take the joint problem *very* seriously. In this type of damage, cartilage disappears and does not grow back! So whatever you are doing, you need to change things.


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“I’d rather face a wall all day long than face unnerving eyes”. By Chopin!

I agree with Chopin on this one; besides, if one taps deep into the imagination well, that wall can turn into many things.

Sometimes I’m staring right at Yuja and Lola. YuLa, as I lovingly refer to the apparition, manifested on the wall; naughtily facing me and my piano. It is not easy to reach this level of transcendence, but it is attainable with practice; heck, I’m staring at Guernica, manifested on the wall, right now; it looks amazing, you guys!

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PianoGabe... I’d love to get in a “real” piano, but I plan on retiring to Florida in 2-3 years so can’t do that just yet. A friend has a beautiful Kawai upright. It sounds amazing to me. Hitting the damper pedal(left) yields such a soft mellow tone. Hitting the same pedal on my Casio is the same as turning down the volume knob a bit. Not the same effect. Plus, his upright is a work of art. Mahogany... beautiful finish!

“I’d rather face a wall all day long than face unnerving eyes”. By Chopin!.... HA! Appears Chopin was a wordsmith too.

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Originally Posted by Pete14
“I’d rather face a wall all day long than face unnerving eyes”. By Chopin!

I agree with Chopin on this one; besides, if one taps deep into the imagination well, that wall can turn into many things.

Sometimes I’m staring right at Yuja and Lola. YuLa, as I lovingly refer to the apparition, manifested on the wall; naughtily facing me and my piano. It is not easy to reach this level of transcendence, but it is attainable with practice; heck, I’m staring at Guernica, manifested on the wall, right now; it looks amazing, you guys!

I hadn't realized members here have reached such an elevated plain of pianotude. /inspired /YuLa

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Any recommendations?
Hi Muskellunge! My recommendation would be to keep the Casio and add Pianoteq. You can test all instruments for free, so you can chose just the sound you like. smile


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My recommendation would be to keep the Casio and add Pianoteq.

How's that going to help with the problem:
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The short key length pivot is driving me nuts.

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My recommendation would be to keep the Casio and add Pianoteq.

How's that going to help with the problem:
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The short key length pivot is driving me nuts.

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Is the Casio Trihammer much shorter than the others ?

I thought ES110 felt really short and the pha4 roland is a bit longer but it's overall too heavy.

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Myself, I don’t know how the Casio action compares to those. I would guess it’s a somewhat heavy action to begin with. I know placing a 55g weight (US nickels w/ some quarters stacked on top) on the front of middle C the key doesn’t budge. I don’t really have a problem with that, though. The keys feel fine for the front 1/2 or so. It’s just when I depress further back on the keys where I have a problem.

The Yamaha where I take lessons.. it’s a compact action ... and my buddies Kawai upright are both lighter than my Casio.

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So you got a Casio and now want to upgrade to a real digital piano. I would consider a real upright piano instead. They don't cost more than a CA79 and offer a much superior action with real escapement*). They sound much better than Pianoteq for sure.

*) The missing hammer escapement no digital piano action features is what is causing your joint issues, not just the usually short pivot.


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