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... and easy pieces sounding difficult.

Recently I watched this video of Valentina Lisitsa playing the extremely difficult Chopin Etude op. 25 no. 6 (double thirds) and I thought: "Well, it looks soo easy, she makes it look like she is not even trying...". Then I found the score and tried to play a small bit (just out of curiosity of course) and - wait for it - I couldn´t play anything.

I´ve also heard there are pieces that look/sound hard but are not so difficult (technically).

What are your favourite examples of either of those?

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Originally Posted by Tom97
Recently I watched this video of Valentina Lisitsa playing the extremely difficult Chopin Etude op. 25 no. 6 (double thirds) and I thought: "Well, it looks soo easy, she makes it look like she is not even trying...".

Well, except for her slouching she does have impeccable technique.

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What are your favourite examples of either of those?

Most pieces by JS Bach are notoriously harder than they look on paper, partly because of the strange fingerings you need to play them.

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Originally Posted by Qazsedcft
Most pieces by JS Bach are notoriously harder than they look on paper, partly because of the strange fingerings you need to play them.

Well, that's a relief to hear. I thought it was just me.


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Originally Posted by Tom97
I´ve also heard there are pieces that look/sound hard but are not so difficult (technically).

What are your favourite examples of those?

Essentially everything that I play. I've become an expert at making them sound hard, mostly by throwing in "passing tones" that aren't in the score (oops).


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It's among the most comfortable professions.

Farming. Now that's hard. Or slaughter house, major source of PTSD.

Then there's lumberjack, among the highest in occupational injury and death.

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Harder than it seems? Anything performed by Alicia de Larrocha.
I stumbled across her Mozart recordings, which led me to her recordings of Spanish composers.

She makes everything appear so effortless— no matter how devilish it really is.
Listen to her recordings of Albeniz’ ‘Iberia’ and then check out the score.

Trianna
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DtOa390LUG8

Evocacion
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AwiUlUikc_Y


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A lot of pieces I haven't tried can be considered hard except for those rated for beginners.

Once a friend of the family brought their 2 sons who were in Suzuki music over. They played the "Minuet in G" Anh 114 (by C. Petzold) from the Anna M Notebook as a keyboard-violin duet in our living room. As flawless as their playing were, every student would have played the piece at some point so it's not considered difficult. Their parents with no experience in music thought that being able to play this piece well is the gateway to a career as a professional musician. Neither of them got into music as a profession.

Music with variations (especially fast & slow passages) can be considered difficult. I got into playing Bach suites (English & French Suites). These are not easy pieces to learn. The last time I was travelling I played several movements out of a suite in a public piano. Got the attention of a retired man waiting for his turn to use the piano. We're talking about fast & slow movements of a suite 1 after another. Depending on the time available, you can do the repeats or skip them.

Different people considered different types of music easy / hard. 1 person may think Jazz pieces with odd sounding chords hard while someone who likes Bach would think some of his pieces isn't too hard to master. Don't like to think of different types of repertoire being at the same level for everybody.

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Originally Posted by Tom97
I´ve also heard there are pieces that look/sound hard but are not so difficult (technically).

What are your favourite examples of either of those?


Bach Prelude in C is fairly easy technically, difficult to play well


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Someone on this forum also said that some of the Liszt pieces are not at all as difficult as they look/sound and that in many cases they are "just" the typical Liszt fast octaves going up and down laugh Well, I don´t know....

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Originally Posted by Tom97
Someone on this forum also said that some of the Liszt pieces are not at all as difficult as they look/sound and that in many cases they are "just" the typical Liszt fast octaves going up and down laugh Well, I don´t know....

This is very true. My teacher recommended this one to me. It sounded too hard but you are correct typical Listz fast octaves up and down. I have not tried it yet though !



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