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Re: Kawai CA79 / CA99 owners club
Martinez #3017278 08/24/20 09:06 AM
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Hi everyone! I had a question regarding my CA 99: When I turn the piano on, I can play the piano, it produces sound before the touchscreen is fully initialized. BUT, I realized that the sound doesn't come the same, like if some speakers were still turned off, and only when the touch screen menu appears, I get the proper sound of the piano. Do you have the same thing, and also, is it a bad idea to start playing before the piano is fully started? Like, could it cause damage to the piano?

Thanks a lot for your help !

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Same on my CA79. I do not think that starting to play before the software is fully loaded will cause any damage.

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Merriam Music (Stu Harrison) have just released their review of the CA99:



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Cool review. Finally an in depth review of the ca99. Great explanation of the improved sound engine and the new GFIII action.

Like it and can confirm.

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Martinez #3017872 08/26/20 08:25 AM
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Not so good review I think. All pianosounds are sample based in CA99. The rendering engine is not for the piano sound, but for the effects around it. And there is absolutely not unlimited polyfony. Moreover the sound is distorted (overload clipping?) in the video. Otherwise the review was fine.

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Michael Kawai CA79 #3017874 08/26/20 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Michael Kawai CA79
Otherwise the review was fine.

The speaker also claims that the new GFIII action is more spongy. Actually, I've heard the opposite. I myself did not watch the review, but I saw it from the comments on the video and in the description for the video. From there as well, I realized that it seems that this review is too contradictory and ambiguous, and even inaccurate. Therefore, it is good that I did not watch this review.

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Actually there is a kind of sponginess in the GFlll action in quite the same way as in an acostic grand piano. Not every digital piano does this, but I find it rather nice. On the whole I love the key texture and action of CA79/99.

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Michael Kawai CA79 #3017883 08/26/20 09:24 AM
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I was confused by this sentence in their description under the video:

"Another interesting difference is that the keybed seems to feel a bit spongier than on the Grand Feel II action".

Even on the latter, many complained that it was too spongy. And if the new one is even more spongy, then I don't even know. By the way, the same people who complained about excessive sponginess noted that in this regard, this is not at all the same sensations as those of acoustic instruments.

This is contrary to that:
"<…> the composition of the hammer cushion has been changed. This results in a firmer key stop feeling".

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I was confused by this sentence in their description under the video:

"Another interesting difference is that the keybed seems to feel a bit spongier than on the Grand Feel II action".

That observation is flat out wrong, both from a player’s perspective and looking at the design change. I had a fairly specific conversation with some of the higher ups in Kawai’s digital piano division at the NAMM show about this.

Shows you the value of actually trying stuff in person, and why buying on internet recommendations alone (even though I do this as a side gig) is unwise.


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Originally Posted by Michael Kawai CA79
Not so good review I think. All pianosounds are sample based in CA99. The rendering engine is not for the piano sound, but for the effects around it. And there is absolutely not unlimited polyfony. Moreover the sound is distorted (overload clipping?) in the video. Otherwise the review was fine.

Absolutely 100% correct, i dont like this new trend in these types of videos where they are mentioning modelling, they are getting too comfortable with the term, they are all samples that use modelling for the speaker system to create effects not the samples themselves. Also explains why the actual recordings from the piano are still very dull as obviously none of the cabinet/speaker modelling resonances are included in the audio recording direct from the piano.

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Originally Posted by Michael Kawai CA79
Not so good review I think. All pianosounds are sample based in CA99. The rendering engine is not for the piano sound, but for the effects around it. And there is absolutely not unlimited polyfony. Moreover the sound is distorted (overload clipping?) in the video. Otherwise the review was fine.

Eh, this would be at least the second review from Merriam Pianos where they mistakenly claim the SK-EX Rendering engine has unlimited polyphony (one other occasion is in the NV-5 v. NV-10 video). frown

I don't care much for polyphony as a spec myself, but this is just an affront to the truth!


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And they didn't bother to fold down the top of the keyboard lid, showcasing many metal hinges in all their "glory". I always pay attention to this little nuance when evaluating the culture of the owner or demonstrator of the instrument.

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I heard about some issues with the hinges on the CA99 -- are they a problem? Is that why he didn't show them, speculatively? On the CA79 the design is different and we don't have those hinges.


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I heard about some issues with the hinges on the CA99 -- are they a problem? Is that why he didn't show them, speculatively? On the CA79 the design is different and we don't have those hinges.

I see all the hinges in the review. This just looks like a regular upright piano to me. The hinges look standard, you can close them if you wish.

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Originally Posted by 9190
And they didn't bother to fold down the top of the keyboard lid, showcasing many metal hinges in all their "glory".

Are you referring to the same hinges that are used on an upright piano? crazy


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Kawai James #3018186 08/27/20 06:00 AM
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Exactly. And the main message in my post was not about the hinges themselves and not specifically about this model, but about the culture of the performer or demonstrator, who does not know how to open the lid correctly. Or just doesn't care about it (which just says about human culture). Here, for example, is the Yamaha demonstrator. Note how the person opens the keyboard lid at the beginning:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiI7H2lsP_I

And that's what I'm talking about.

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Originally Posted by 9190
...the culture of the performer or demonstrator, who does not know how to open the lid correctly. Or just doesn't care about it (which just says about human culture).

It's also possible that the reviewer opted not to lower that part of the lid, in order to efficiently demonstrate the instrument's "Soft Fall" fallboard at a later part of the video.

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Here, for example, is the Yamaha demonstrator.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiI7H2lsP_I

That's a promotional video produced by Yamaha, not a product review produced by a dealer.

Regardless, this seems like a rather insignificant thing to be concerned/critical about, however you're obviously entitled to your opinion.

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Kawai James #3018197 08/27/20 07:12 AM
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It's also possible that the reviewer opted not to lower that part of the lid, in order to efficiently demonstrate the instrument's "Soft Fall" fallboard at a later part of the video.
I don’t think so.

Originally Posted by Kawai James
That's a promotional video produced by Yamaha, not a product review produced by a dealer.
It doesn't matter to me what type of the video. What I see in the video is more important to me. There is a person in the frame. And she opens the piano lid.

Originally Posted by Kawai James
this seems like a rather insignificant thing
Yes, I said that earlier:
Originally Posted by 9190
I always pay attention to this little nuance
That is, the thing is insignificant, but I always get a general idea from such minor things. So in this case, there was a general impression: the author was inaccurate here and there, somewhere he voiced incorrect information. And he also opened the lid in this way. And I already have a general idea. )

By the way, since there has been a discussion about these hinges, it seems that these hinges are clearly less noticeable in the Yamaha than in the Kawai.

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Hi everyone! I had a question regarding my CA 99: When I turn the piano on, I can play the piano, it produces sound before the touchscreen is fully initialized. BUT, I realized that the sound doesn't come the same, like if some speakers were still turned off, and only when the touch screen menu appears, I get the proper sound of the piano. Do you have the same thing, and also, is it a bad idea to start playing before the piano is fully started? Like, could it cause damage to the piano?

Thanks a lot for your help !

It takes some time for the cumputer controlled parts (i.e. rendering engine and touchscreen) to get ready. But the sampled sounds and amplifier can get ready in seconds. Kawai simply give the opportunity to start playing almost immediately when the sampled piano is loaded and the amplifier is on. And after nearly a minute or so, the rendering engine kicks in and the touchscreen lights up. I think it is nice to be able to start playing almost immediately.

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A comment from that youtube review:

"I tried the ca99 and even away from the back wall about 1 foot, it still had a boxy sound vs the cleaner more open ca79".

Yes, ca99 sounds rather boxy to me too - especially in the mid-range.
But here in this thread, I read that ca99 sounds way better than ca79, the richness of the sound and how it fills up the room, especially when you are listening when away from the piano. It seems reasonable to me, though, that ca79 should sound cleaner. A soundboard has to add distortions.

But what is the best distance from the wall to minimize that boxy sound?
Unfortunately, I attached the wall mount of my AiO computer too low, and now I now longer can move the piano more than 18 cm from the wall, or much closer too.

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