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Steinway Reopens NY Factory
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Re: Steinway Reopens NY Factory
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3 generations working in the same factory! Such a family could really be decimated financially if it shut down or moved jobs offshore. It sounds idyllic (and perhaps for the employer it is), but people should diversify their income risks, and probably shouldn’t put all their eggs in one basket.



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Originally Posted by Retsacnal
3 generations working in the same factory! Such a family could really be decimated financially if it shut down or moved jobs offshore. It sounds idyllic (and perhaps for the employer it is), but people should diversify their income risks, and probably shouldn’t put all their eggs in one basket.
I doubt many Steinway employees can afford to worry about things like diversifying risk.

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I think a lot of craftsmanship in the US has been lost to diversifying income risks across generations. The Japanese and the Germans understand that craftsmanship is improved across generations, as the knowledge gained with each generation is passed on to the next. We don't understand that in America, where we chase higher wages at the expense of that kind of knowledge.

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Well its great to know that they are back to making pianos.It is something I wonder about with other manufacturers.
I can imagine those employees are grateful for being back at
at work. Here various shops are open at least for limited hours, but now like many places the infection rate is rising again.

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Originally Posted by LarryK
I think a lot of craftsmanship in the US has been lost to diversifying income risks across generations. The Japanese and the Germans understand that craftsmanship is improved across generations, as the knowledge gained with each generation is passed on to the next. We don't understand that in America, where we chase higher wages at the expense of that kind of knowledge.

Craftsmen need not be related to pass on skills and knowledge. And, FWIW, I think in my lifetime the quality of American goods has improved. For example, people comment here pretty regularly that Steinway quality has improved steadily over the years.



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Originally Posted by Retsacnal
3 generations working in the same factory! Such a family could really be decimated financially if it shut down or moved jobs offshore. It sounds idyllic (and perhaps for the employer it is), but people should diversify their income risks, and probably shouldn’t put all their eggs in one basket.
I doubt many Steinway employees can afford to worry about things like diversifying risk.

I don't think I get your point. Feel free to elaborate.



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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
Well its great to know that they are back to making pianos.It is something I wonder about with other manufacturers.
I can imagine those employees are grateful for being back at
at work. Here various shops are open at least for limited hours, but now like many places the infection rate is rising again.

Yes, hopefully things continue to return to normal.



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I was fortunate enough to do the factory tour a few years back; I guess it will be some while before that reopens.
https://www.steinway.com/about/factory-tour

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I too am glad they are back at work. The voice-over in the video is Ben Finane, host of the Steinway & Sons podcast called "Soundboard". He's also a writer and pianist. He has a lot of interesting musical guests on the podcast, and the editing is very creative. Enjoy catching it when I can. Just search for "Steinway & Sons Soundboard podcast." The link is on a page on the Steinway website. You can subscribe from there.

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3 generations working in the same factory! Such a family could really be decimated financially if it shut down or moved jobs offshore. It sounds idyllic (and perhaps for the employer it is), but people should diversify their income risks, and probably shouldn’t put all their eggs in one basket.
I doubt many Steinway employees can afford to worry about things like diversifying risk.

I don't think I get your point. Feel free to elaborate.

I think the gist is that most laborers at Steinway Astoria are in an economic stratus that makes consciously prioritizing risk-diversification very difficult. Also, having a job at a nationally-known and established company might have been more appealing than the alternatives available to that segment.

In other words, the mentality for them might be more "take what you can get" than "plan strategically".

u/pianoloverus, please correct me if I'm wrong

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Originally Posted by Retsacnal
Originally Posted by LarryK
I think a lot of craftsmanship in the US has been lost to diversifying income risks across generations. The Japanese and the Germans understand that craftsmanship is improved across generations, as the knowledge gained with each generation is passed on to the next. We don't understand that in America, where we chase higher wages at the expense of that kind of knowledge.

Craftsmen need not be related to pass on skills and knowledge. And, FWIW, I think in my lifetime the quality of American goods has improved. For example, people comment here pretty regularly that Steinway quality has improved steadily over the years.

No, they do not have to be related but it often helps if they are, as the costs can be amortized across generations. For one example, look at the great classical guitar building family, the Hausers, now on their fourth or fifth generation? http://www.hauserguitars.de/english/docs/geschichte.htm

The Europeans do a good job of treating craft with respect and dignity, and of providing government support to train people in a craft. The US does not do this and it shows in the quality of what we produce. There is a lot of furniture making in building a piano. For a while, I tried to learn how to build furniture from a professional cabinet maker. We don't have apprenticeship programs, and so, qualified workers are hard to find. The few furniture making schools like exist, like the North Bennett Street School, are very expensive so few people get that kind of training.

Maybe Steinway quality has improved because multiple generations of craftsmen take pride in their work, provide continuity, and refine their technique over many decades.

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"I doubt many Steinway employees can afford to worry about things like diversifying risk."

We are all able to afford to worry. Our credit score and bank balance are not consulted.

"Maybe Steinway quality has improved because multiple generations of craftsmen take pride in their work, provide continuity, and refine their technique over many decades."

Now you're talking.

You might add that the marque has so much visibility that it has been chewed by public criticism for its every lapse in quality, over many years. After awhile, it does pile up...


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Originally Posted by Jeff Clef
"I doubt many Steinway employees can afford to worry about things like diversifying risk."

We are all able to afford to worry. Our credit score and bank balance are not consulted.

If you think that's how everyone is able to operate, you're living in a fantasy.

Originally Posted by Jeff Clef
"Maybe Steinway quality has improved because multiple generations of craftsmen take pride in their work, provide continuity, and refine their technique over many decades."

Now you're talking.

Again, the stuff of fantasy. The real answer: capital.


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