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Uncomfortable fingering in a book
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While learning the Clementi Sonatina (op. 36 no. 1), I followed the fingering given in my book (Easy cůassics to moderns vol. 17). However, the fingering in one bar seems rather weird and so uncomfortable that I started doubting the correctness of the score.
I am attaching a picture below so you can have a look yourself.
One thing is that I keep hitting F instead of G with my pinkie, the second is that it creates tension and I started feeling tingling and weird sensations going into my pinkie and 4th finger after playing this passage multiple times.
What do you think of it?

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Re: Uncomfortable fingering in a book
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I would play 4312-15

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I am assuming that is because of the 2 on the measure before. I think the idea is that starting on that measure that your fingering should be 23424321 and you bring the right hand over the thumb and play 2 5 for the (I assume, but can't me sure that its) Bb G

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There are options, but you should first check the position of the hand when going from C to the last sixth. This includes the tilt of the wrist and fingers, the placement of the thumb, also the wrist deflection . In addition, there may be:
2342 5432
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Or 5432-15. You could start with 2 or 3 on d, whatever feels more comfortable.

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I'm trying to remember how I learned this when I was younger and I want to say it was 2342 4321 25 so that would match what's written.

If I remember correctly (it's been a very long time so I could be making all this up) I wanted to do 2341 3212 15 but my teacher didn't like that idea. I can't remember the reason.

But trying it now, 2342 4321 25 feels more natural for me to really get a good smooth legato on the notes.

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Originally Posted by Greta99
Or 5432-15. You could start with 2 or 3 on d, whatever feels more comfortable.

This is what I would do, and that feels like a no-brainer to me, so I am thinking there must be good reasons for not doing so?

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A question for the OP.

Do you hold the 5-2 longer than indicated? are you holding it down with force or letting you hand relax a little after playing it, so that you are holding down the notes but with relaxed fingers.

I get nerve pain and some numbness at times when doing constant repeats trying to drill in the correct patterns, so I know the sort of issue you talking about. Getting your fingering right can help a lot so rethinking the fingering is sensible.

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Any edition can contain poor fingerings but this is not one of them. That does not mean the OP has to or should use it since it is uncomfortable and is therefore not the best fingering for him. Any of the previously suggested alternate fingerings seem fine.

Tom- fingerings are suggestions and even in editions with generally good ones, they will not always be the most suitable for you. It's pretty rare that someone would use 100% pf suggested fingerings.

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It is a good fingering, but using the 2-5 implies some flexibility. It is something that is quite usefull to be able to do comfortably, so it is good to practice it. But in the meantime, you can use any of the alternate fingering already suggested until you have developped an increased finger span.

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Or 5432-15. You could start with 2 or 3 on d, whatever feels more comfortable.

This is what I would do, and that feels like a no-brainer to me, so I am thinking there must be good reasons for not doing so?
For me playing DF with 25 is not comfortable.

And I guess many people would say that playing black key with 4th finger between 3rd and 5th playing white keys is not comfortable, too, it requires some years of training of 4th finger.

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Or 5432-15. You could start with 2 or 3 on d, whatever feels more comfortable.

This is what I would do, and that feels like a no-brainer to me, so I am thinking there must be good reasons for not doing so?
For me playing DF with 25 is not comfortable.

And I guess many people would say that playing black key with 4th finger between 3rd and 5th playing white keys is not comfortable, too, it requires some years of training of 4th finger.

Thanks, I don't seem to have a problem with those, but i can see now that for others it could be problematic.

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I have small hands so anything that is a big stretch feels uncomfortable. Following the 2 on the D you end up with F-Eb-D-C (4-3-2-1) and then the uncomfortable 2 & 5 I just use 1 & 5. Suggested fingerings try to get people to not repeat the same finger for different notes. Anything with a big stretch I have no choice but to use 1 & 5.

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Originally Posted by thepianoplayer416
I have small hands so anything that is a big stretch feels uncomfortable. Following the 2 on the D you end up with F-Eb-D-C (4-3-2-1) and then the uncomfortable 2 & 5 I just use 1 & 5. Suggested fingerings try to get people to not repeat the same finger for different notes. Anything with a big stretch I have no choice but to use 1 & 5.
The idea of using 2-5 was to play legato. If you want to 4 on the F you could use 4-3-1-2-(1+5) to avoid the stretch.

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"If you want to 4 on the F you could use 4-3-1-2-(1+5) to avoid the stretch."

Definitely a workable fingering. You still end the phrase with a 1+5 instead of 2+5 as indicated.

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I tried all the suggested finerings and the one by Iaroslav seems to be a winner. The idea of playing as indicated but just ending with - instead of is also good but in my opinion it makes the legato almost impossible.

Kevin: I always try to relax, watch out for tension etc. My teacher stops me every time she sees me play with some tension. Unfortunately, sometimes a bit of tension creeps in smile

Btw. I would never use 54xx for the last 2 beats of the mesaure before the sixth... Both my 4 and 5 are very weak and whenever I want them to cooperate, they fail me smile especially at faster tempi.

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When you play the C note before the interval, rotate your forearm inward (towards the left) as you play C. Then your arm will be in a better position to play the interval using 5-2 fingers. The timing of the rotation and your thumb playing the note C is crucial. Make sure that are in sync. Use of more your hand to play the interval as oppose to only using fingers.

Good luck!


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