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I was interested in taking lessons with Mark Harrison to start working towards my goal of playing pop. It seems like he is very experienced in teaching and pop also sounds like he primarily teaches adults. Would it still be beneficial to continue lessons with my traditional classical teacher? I learn a lot from her and enjoy the lessons. Or do you think it's better to have one teacher and just work your primary goals?

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Hi Sebs

IMHO you need to have one primary goal, and one teacher. Whichever you choose, you can still practise the other discipline for fun.

The amount of practise time required, and the cost, make 2 teachers out of the question for most people.

But you may have a lot of time and be a millionaire!

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Hi Sebs

IMHO you need to have one primary goal, and one teacher. Whichever you choose, you can still practise the other discipline for fun.

The amount of practise time required, and the cost, make 2 teachers out of the question for most people.

But you may have a lot of time and be a millionaire!

Cheers

I was leaning towards this. Reason being I really want to get god at pop and have no desire to learn classical so don't see the point to keep putting times and money into an area I'm not enjoying. Playing pop has always been my primary goal and I definitely put in the time and energy to the point where I believe I should have a dedicated teacher in the area I want to study.

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Hi Sebs,

I’ve read a couple of your threads and I can tell you really want to learn pop. If you have no desire to play classical, I’d say that you should quit your classical teacher and go learn with someone like Mark Harrison.

Classical is a very good foundation but it’s difficult to concentrate on both genres. If I were you, I’d concentrate on pop.


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Originally Posted by WeakLeftHand
Hi Sebs,

I’ve read a couple of your threads and I can tell you really want to learn pop. If you have no desire to play classical, I’d say that you should quit your classical teacher and go learn with someone like Mark Harrison.

Classical is a very good foundation but it’s difficult to concentrate on both genres. If I were you, I’d concentrate on pop.

Thanks for the advice and support. I was thinking similarly as I'd probably get more out of it and work even harder focusing on my goals. I learned a ton with her and developed a lot. I imagine this a common to switch over after getting a solid foundation. I love classical I just have no desire to learn to play it except maybe an occasional basic piece.

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I think it would be so cool to have lessons with Mark Harrison! Does he teach online?

To your question, OP, from reading some of your comments (tho not all) in the other thread and this one, I would say you need to get a new teacher who's more in line with your goals. Learning classical piano is not good preparation for playing pop music. It is good preparation for being a well-rounded pianist, but it will take a very long time to get to the point where you can add pop into your playing unless you are specifically working on a curriculum that preps you for pop.

Having said that, if you had enough money and were careful about how you structured your time, you could have two teachers and work on classical and pop curricula simultaneously. But you would have to treat it like two separate subjects, and (for ex.) practice on your classical stuff for an hour/day, and on your pop stuff for an hour/day.

Most people don't have the money or the self-discipline to do that (that sounds like a criticism, I don't mean it as such...)

Anyway, if you start taking lessons with Mark Harrison, do let us know!!


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I super curious about how much Mark Harrison charges for a 30/45 minute lesson....


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Originally Posted by ShiroKuro
I think it would be so cool to have lessons with Mark Harrison! Does he teach online?

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Originally Posted by ShiroKuro
I think it would be so cool to have lessons with Mark Harrison! Does he teach online?

To your question, OP, from reading some of your comments (tho not all) in the other thread and this one, I would say you need to get a new teacher who's more in line with your goals. Learning classical piano is not good preparation for playing pop music. It is good preparation for being a well-rounded pianist, but it will take a very long time to get to the point where you can add pop into your playing unless you are specifically working on a curriculum that preps you for pop.

Having said that, if you had enough money and were careful about how you structured your time, you could have two teachers and work on classical and pop curricula simultaneously. But you would have to treat it like two separate subjects, and (for ex.) practice on your classical stuff for an hour/day, and on your pop stuff for an hour/day.

Most people don't have the money or the self-discipline to do that (that sounds like a criticism, I don't mean it as such...)

Anyway, if you start taking lessons with Mark Harrison, do let us know!!

Yes, he does teach online. Thanks for the advice and I did switch teachers and have dropped the classical teacher and have had a few lessons with Mark. So far they're going great. I do find classical work very enjoyable just not aligned with my ambitions or goals. I'd like to spend some time with classical to continue to develop technique but even for that I would not have continued with my other teacher as she spent WAY TOO much time on things. I know it takes time, I'm patient but 8 weeks on a minuet, etc. it was way too long, and she always said don't worry about time... but we only have so much time to learn what we want. I don't want years to pass and be like I did some minuets, some czerny, and technique...


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I super curious about how much Mark Harrison charges for a 30/45 minute lesson....

I'm sure rates vary depending on how many lessons, duration, etc. but roughly $85/hour which I think is a fair rate for seasoned credible teacher. My other classical teacher was $80/hour.

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... she spent WAY TOO much time on things. I know it takes time, I'm patient but 8 weeks on a minuet, etc. it was way too long, and she always said don't worry about time...

It is very possible/probable that now that you have "jumped ship" that 10 years from now you will be saying … "I should have listened 10 years ago".

It has been my observation that those that stay with a teacher and just keep pluggin' along … end up with the strongest set of piano skills and can play the most beautiful music.

Good teachers help you build a solid foundation of basic piano skills ...,. slowly but solidly.... so adding more high level skills down the road is doable.

This takes slow and steady progress and reinforcement of those basic skills.

10 years ago, I did not know that.


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Originally Posted by Sebs
... she spent WAY TOO much time on things. I know it takes time, I'm patient but 8 weeks on a minuet, etc. it was way too long, and she always said don't worry about time...

It is very possible/probable that now that you have "jumped ship" that 10 years from now you will be saying … "I should have listened 10 years ago".

It has been my observation that those that stay with a teacher and just keep pluggin' along … end up with the strongest set of piano skills and can play the most beautiful music.

Good teachers help you build a solid foundation of basic piano skills ...,. slowly but solidly.... so adding more high level skills down the road is doable.

This takes slow and steady progress and reinforcement of those basic skills.

10 years ago, I did not know that.

I understand that it takes times but there needs to be a balance. I believe there is a point of diminished return in the work at hand. I could only take playing assigned pieces where I had 0 interest in for so long. Being an adult learner I don’t think the same approach always works where I feel most teachers just use the same stuff for kids, adults, etc.

Yes I could look back and say ‘I should have...’ but may also look back and say ‘I’m so glad I switched...’ I actually put a lot of thought and time in the decision so I’m confident in it and I can always change again if I need to.

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dmd, if someone is with a teacher who doesn't teach them what they want to play, there's no point in staying with that teacher. And, not all teachers are created equal, some teachers are not particularly effective. Plus it's not like Sebs is "jumping ship" to go learn by themselves using synthesia piano videos on YouTube...

Sebs, thanks for the details, that lesson does seem reasonable (given the teacher!)

After you've had a few more lessons, please share you reflections again!

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Originally Posted by ShiroKuro
dmd, if someone is with a teacher who doesn't teach them what they want to play, there's no point in staying with that teacher. And, not all teachers are created equal, some teachers are not particularly effective. Plus it's not like Sebs is "jumping ship" to go learn by themselves using synthesia piano videos on YouTube...

Sebs, thanks for the details, that lesson does seem reasonable (given the teacher!)

After you've had a few more lessons, please share you reflections again!

Will do! I'm looking forward to seeing how it goes. Already I feel great about it but need a handful more to have a better opinion and once I do I'll definitely let you know. Thanks for the support and feedback.

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Originally Posted by ShiroKuro
Sebs, thanks for the details, that lesson does seem reasonable (given the teacher!)

After you've had a few more lessons, please share you reflections again!

I finished up my first month of lessons with Mark. I'm really enjoying it and we're working on voice leading, inversions, and a few other things and it's much more challenging than it looks, like most, actually all things with piano. I'm pleased I did move from classical teacher to a pop teacher because it sure is much different already. While I'm sure my classical teacher was good I was too comfortable as we did the exact same technique exercises, Such as work on these 10 things in this key and play them for me that would go for months and months then we would do new key for months and months. So I'm excited to be outside of my comfort zone. I look forward to seeing where it takes me and thankful for the support here too.

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Sebs, that's awesome!!

So can you explain what one of your practice sessions (not lessons) looks like now? What do you work on in any one session?


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Sebs, that's awesome!!

So can you explain what one of your practice sessions (not lessons) looks like now? What do you work on in any one session?

Of course! This might be long winded.

From Pop Piano Book: (roughly 30-45 min)
Scale contour exercises. To get the shape of the scales down you just play all 8 notes together. I work on this in chromatically up and down and in other variations.

Major and minor inversions in root, first, second around circle of fifths. The goal here is learning the shapes too. Such as, first inversion use RH pinky as guide drop it on C, then F, etc. and just work to retain the shape and not search for the other two notes.

From Piano Fitness Book:(roughly 30 min)
A few voice leading exercises. Hands alone and hands together, etc.

All exercises above from his books I also use metronome once I get it down a bit. That way we can measure and work in time and see improvement. i.e I was doing 60bpm now I can 63, etc. Doesnt matter how slow/fast it's just to make you look ahead and work in given time.


Sight Reading/technique (roughly 30-45min)
I also work on sight reading which I have been doing on my own before lessons with him and he said to just keep at it as it's going to be useful for our work. I use two books, "Sight Reading and Harmony" and "Super Sight Reading Secrets". I also use Piano Marvel SASR pretty often to see how I'm progressing. Then a variety of other technique, scales, chromatic scales, arpeggios, etc.

I have pieces on hold at the moment until get a better pop foundation as soon enough we'll work on music from lead sheets which I'm excited to do. If you have any questions or want to discuss in more detail I'm happy to. Do you play pop? Are you thinking about lessons with him or using his book?

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Sebs ,what exercises do you get to develop a sense of rhythm (and reading it)?

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Sebs ,what exercises do you get to develop a sense of rhythm (and reading it)?
Previously I was doing a fair amount of counting out loud with various scores and using 'dummy' notes. This was something I was just doing on my own as my previous teacher never assigned any rhythm only specific work. However, with my current teacher I imagine we'll have plenty rhythm work coming up soon. If you have any you suggest please feel free to share.

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Originally Posted by Sebs
. If you have any you suggest please feel free to share.
Instead of being divide tune's rhythm in a one-and-two-and-three-and ..., it is better to divide the melodic rhythm on rhythmic patterns, and then verbalize them using rhythmic languages: Scat, Konnakol, Takidimi.

http://forum.pianoworld.com//ubbthr...xercises-with-metronome.html#Post3002034

Pronunciation of the funk rhythm pattern.
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