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Originally Posted by TheodorN
Very few software pianos can be recorded in their standalone players. You can't record in Kontakt either, and that's a lot of virtual libraries.

You can record as audio in Garritan CFX, and audio and MIDI in Pianoteq 6, which is actually one of Pianoteq's biggest strengths, so big I almost forget how it sounds, when I think of it. cool

It's not fair comparing software pianos to physical digital pianos, when it comes to recording features. Digital pianos are designed to be standalone instruments, with everything a pianist needs for practising and recording.

On the other hand, virtual instruments are geared towards those who seek better piano sound, and for studio work, and those who are into that, all use DAWs anyway, and all sorts of high end equipment.

Although performances can be recorded in Garritan CFX, I have never used that feature. It's too limited in my opinion, for example there's no metronome. What's wrong with using a DAW?

Thanks for this info. It seems I’ve been spoiled by the readily available recording capabilities of the pianos I’ve used to date.

I may have to venture into the world of DAWs. I struggle with such technologies. It seems I must be several generations behind. Even when a digital technology vendor tries its best to give me the layman’s, watered down, tech for dummies explanations, the simplest terms employed are tech terms that I also don’t understand. It’s like I got dropped in the Urals, needing assistance from the locals for everything. We have no common language, so, we can’t communicate.

I need “DAWS for the dumbest of dummies.”

Are there simple DAWS?


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Originally Posted by Ralphiano
Are there simple DAWS?
You can try Cantabile if you are Windows guy. This is not a DAW, but a VST host.
Very easy and has everything you may need as virtual piano player.
Free version can't record audio and MIDI though, but Solo is not that expensive, and there is 30-day money back guarantee.
https://www.cantabilesoftware.com/compare

Another option is free Cakewalk - it is full blown DAW for Windows, but it has much longer learning curve.

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Update.... I could no longer take it, I purchased Modern U... credit card... came right down, no problems. You have to log into iLok to activate it. No issues.

Wow, they did a great job on this piano. I already started tweaking it.... amazing set of controls. The biggest negative for me was I thought the weight was a bit light in the lower registers. I get it, it is an upright. But I just bumped up the bass a tad. Nice.

The other issue for me was the pedal noise was a little too prominent so I turned that down a bit.

But overall, this is a great sounding and playing piano. Full disclosure, the only VSTs I own are VILabs.

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Thinking of grabbing Ravenscroft with the sale. How does ILOK work? Do I need to purchase a dongle from somewhere?

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Originally Posted by Ralphiano
I need “DAWS for the dumbest of dummies.”

Are there simple DAWS?

I purchased Ableton. Many years ago I used Cakewalk. In short, they are not all that easy to deal with. There is a whole way of thinking about recording tracks (audio and MIDI) and such, and I am not sure you can short cut it too much.

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Originally Posted by 20/20 Vision
Thinking of grabbing Ravenscroft with the sale. How does ILOK work? Do I need to purchase a dongle from somewhere?

No dongle.... I can't remember the exact procedure, but you need to set up an iLok account. It is free. I believe the licensing is paid for via your Ravenscroft fee. When you purchase a VI Labs piano, you have to log on to your iLok account and activate it. Again I don't remember the details but somehow your VI Labs account is linked to the iLok account. It is pretty simple, but you need to manage two different account IDs and passwords. Then you iLok grants you license to use your piano on three different computers.... I have no idea how it tracks but it does, so work the accounts on the PC you will connect to the piano.

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You would need to provide your iLok id to VI Labs during the purchase, it will be also stored in your VI account if you bought directly from them. VI Labs will store your purchased license in iLok database mapped to your iLok ID.
You also have to install iLok License Manager (software), and login there with the same iLok ID. License Manager will show all your available licenses, and let you activate any of those - it will link the license to either iLok dongle (USB key), or to your computer, whatever you choose. I prefer dongle.

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Have any of you had need to, or success at increasing the sustain of your VI Labs piano. My German Grand has extremely short sustain above the middle of the keyboard. Audible sustain in the mid to upper octaves is about 5 seconds max with very rapid decay. Playing anything slow imposes an irresistable urge to hurry to the next note just to overcome the silence. Slow melodies are next to impossible.

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That is very much how the German grand is. You can add some reverb and that helps a bit, but it isn’t the same.

Mostly I find that the German grand is lovely for specific pieces but as you say anything slow is not what it is good for.

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The German Grand is just not acceptable. I’m going to see about exchanging it for a different VI Labs piano that actually behaves like a piano.

The sound of NY Steinways is pleasing to me. Can any of you share your experience with the VI Labs American Steinway?


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Ralphiano, sorry for a late reply, but regarding simple DAWs, I don't think Reaper falls into that category, but it's free to try for 60 days, and actually keeps working after that, without restrictions.

There are lots and lots of instruction videos on YouTube about Reaper, explaining everything from simple to advanced stuff.

Things like recording as MIDI, rendering as MIDI, and getting a digital piano to work inside Reaper, along with finding all the virtual instruments you use, are not that hard.

The hardest part about the last thing, or the part where many fail, is registering all the folder paths for VSTis in the settings. For those who own a lot of VSTis, they can be spread into many different folders.

Hope this helps somewhat.


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Yes, generally, a DAW use needs the following steps :

- audio and MIDI settings, (once for all)
- VST settings (define the different paths, and ask for a rescan), (Once for all)
- create an instrument track with a VST
- press record
- press stop
- File/export or render to MP3.

That’s it. (Ok, we can go further !!) Different DAWs have different names (Cubase likes to name “VST anything” even items which doesn’t deal with VST instruments), but you have a rough step list which applies to all DAWs.

You can on some DAW save your empty track in a template which can render easier to ask it later.

The Reaper videos are quite nice to have a good view of this program. It has also a PDF document. Then why not try it ?

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Thinking of grabbing Ravenscroft with the sale. How does ILOK work? Do I need to purchase a dongle from somewhere?

No dongle.... I can't remember the exact procedure, but you need to set up an iLok account. It is free. I believe the licensing is paid for via your Ravenscroft fee. When you purchase a VI Labs piano, you have to log on to your iLok account and activate it. Again I don't remember the details but somehow your VI Labs account is linked to the iLok account. It is pretty simple, but you need to manage two different account IDs and passwords. Then you iLok grants you license to use your piano on three different computers.... I have no idea how it tracks but it does, so work the accounts on the PC you will connect to the piano.

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Originally Posted by VladK
You would need to provide your iLok id to VI Labs during the purchase, it will be also stored in your VI account if you bought directly from them. VI Labs will store your purchased license in iLok database mapped to your iLok ID.
You also have to install iLok License Manager (software), and login there with the same iLok ID. License Manager will show all your available licenses, and let you activate any of those - it will link the license to either iLok dongle (USB key), or to your computer, whatever you choose. I prefer dongle.

Thanks, Vlad. If I choose to use a dongle, is there a specific one I need to purchase? or would any usb key work?

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With Ilok, there are two ways :

A web site of your product (here VILabs) ask you your Ilok login and register directly your product. Afterward, the Ilock manager see the available licence and can associate it with your PC.

From the iLock manage, you click on the ... button. It will ask you a serial number code, you enter It, and then you can associate it with your PC.


You have to apply what is communicated to you (in an email).

USB dongles are quite specific. You need an iLok key if you want to put your licence on it (not a flash drive, nor a eLicensor which is the equivalent for Cubase or VSL products). I prefer this way, then if my PC is out of order, I can easily shift my licence from one PC to an other.

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Originally Posted by 20/20 Vision
Originally Posted by VladK
You would need to provide your iLok id to VI Labs during the purchase, it will be also stored in your VI account if you bought directly from them. VI Labs will store your purchased license in iLok database mapped to your iLok ID.
You also have to install iLok License Manager (software), and login there with the same iLok ID. License Manager will show all your available licenses, and let you activate any of those - it will link the license to either iLok dongle (USB key), or to your computer, whatever you choose. I prefer dongle.

Thanks, Vlad. If I choose to use a dongle, is there a specific one I need to purchase? or would any usb key work?

You need PACE Anti-Piracy iLok3 3rd-Generation USB Software Authorization Key.
2nd generation is also fine, but it is less reliable.


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i think the modern u is a good vst, but for me it is the only vst i have problems with.

all works fine, no cpu or latency problems.

but the sound is far away form what i would expect.

i think the problem is the velocity curve, but i can‘t find the right balance.

in all youtube videos the sound is bright and clear.

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Originally Posted by klausi6
i think the modern u is a good vst, but for me it is the only vst i have problems with.

all works fine, no cpu or latency problems.

but the sound is far away form what i would expect.

i think the problem is the velocity curve, but i can‘t find the right balance.

in all youtube videos the sound is bright and clear.

Interesting..... I agree. Now that I am playing Modern U more, I find myself banging a bit harder on the keys than the Ravenscroft... to get it to pop....and I want the same feel. I still love the Modern U... but I guess I have such a soft touch, that I want the machine to be more expressive... kind of multiply my force for me. The Ravenscroft does this perfectly. The good news is the piano is so configurable, I am sure I will get it to where I want it to be.

So here is the rub.... we are all different.... so it is hard to trash or praise these things... a reader has to consider carefully. So, while some may say the piano should be perfect out of the box... yea, OK, but we humans are not perfect out of the box either. Configurability is good and Modern U has this in spades.

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Well, you do not expect a regular 130cm upright to be as loud as 275 cm concert grand, right? So yes, you need to hit keys harder for authenticity wink
Or play dirty by amplifying more...


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Originally Posted by VladK
Well, you do not expect a regular 130cm upright to be as loud as 275 cm concert grand, right? So yes, you need to hit keys harder for authenticity wink
Or play dirty by amplifying more...

Good point... I am OK with that. My stated goal is pure authenticity... then, I strive to make something I like. I don't see a contradiction here.

Did you ever walk into someone's home, someone who is proud of their decoration talents, only to run to the toilet and barf? Did you notice everyone here has an opinion... fine but I would also like to see their living rooms.

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