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Re: Is the all white key piano the dumbest think ever?
j&j #3010815 08/06/20 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by j&j
I’m just old. I hate to think I just have to flush all that struggle to learn key positions away.

Me too, j&j.

Plus, just when I was getting pretty good at sliding off the black keys on to the white keys, really fast, on my boogie and blues tunes, the thought of not having any sharps/flats/black keys is disheartening. smile

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This is the kind of horror which I thought only occurs in my nightmares! Even if playing in C, how does one land on the correct notes without the black-key pattern as a guide? I play 95% by feel, so I don't care what color the keys are, but without those black-key groups, my fingers have no guide.

Of course for simple pieces you can transpose any key to C, but that alters timbre and most of the music we play is full of key changes and accidentals, so such a keyboard is crippled beyond any serious use for music.

It's purely for the visual impact, a creation of an oddity to garner reactions. It's probably been successful in that way, but I hope it will soon fade into oblivion and be forgotten!


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Well, it would be a kind of revenge when playing along with those folk who use transposing instruments - "sorry, guys, you're all going to have to play in C natural today!"

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Originally Posted by MarianneØ
This is the kind of horror which I thought only occurs in my nightmares! Even if playing in C, how does one land on the correct notes without the black-key pattern as a guide? I play 95% by feel, so I don't care what color the keys are, but without those black-key groups, my fingers have no guide.

Of course for simple pieces you can transpose any key to C, but that alters timbre and most of the music we play is full of key changes and accidentals, so such a keyboard is crippled beyond any serious use for music.

It's purely for the visual impact, a creation of an oddity to garner reactions. It's probably been successful in that way, but I hope it will soon fade into oblivion and be forgotten!
It is extremely annoying to look at .If a piano has a "face" .,it must be the keyboard because this is like looking at someone without a face.
Just paint everything in the world white ! What would be the point ?

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The big problem is having only one key (C major). The pianist has to wildly distort the harmonies of "Dr. Gradus" because of the total lack of accidentals. Stupid and useless. Surely it's an elaborate joke?


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Originally Posted by AaronSF
The big problem is having only one key (C major). The pianist has to wildly distort the harmonies of "Dr. Gradus" because of the total lack of accidentals. Stupid and useless. Surely it's an elaborate joke?
Perhaps it's a "Doctor Gradus as Parnussum " joke.
I think Doctor Gradus ad Parnussum means "Teacher Goes To Heaven"
If teacher has "gone to heaven" and I have no teacher perhaps I can only play in C major.
Any other "logical" explanations for this strange keyboard.

Imagine winning this piano as a prize in sort raffle or lottery?

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Not only is it musically lacking, visually it looks so wrong, like something is missing... Well, of course!

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The funny thing: The equivalent to a keyboard with only black keys has existed for centuries in various folklore musics: Everywhere where the Pentatonic scale is used; and only it.

I'm used to 12 notes; I'll stick with it.


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The equivalent to a keyboard with only black keys

What is the instrument?


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The equivalent to a keyboard with only black keys

What is the instrument?
I'm not sure of the names; but an Internet search has lead me to various flutes, and Kalimba, and instruments for children.


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Bagpipes are pentatonic, and most dulcimers. Pentatonic tunes are easy enough to recognize. Amazing Grace, Auld Lang Syne, Mull of Kintyre come to mind.


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Ah, so perhaps not actually keyboard-instruments. I was curious because with other instruments a limited number of notes doesn't seem like such an issue to me. But with a piano or other keyboard instrument, it doesn't make sense to not have the full range. At least in my mind, after all, isn't that the whole point of a piano?


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Originally Posted by ShiroKuro
I was curious because with other instruments a limited number of notes doesn't seem like such an issue to me.

And isn't your piano also an instrument with a limited number of notes?

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Well the scale of the instrument (chromatic, diatonic, pentatonic, etc) will be a product of it's cultural background. Some instruments go back thousands of years. By the time keyboard instruments were created (and the geographical area they were invented in), most music had evolved to the 12 semitone scale that we have today. The main differences among the first keyboard instruments were the temperament that they were tuned to, favoring purer intervals in some more frequently used keys. Some early organs had a "short octave" at the bass end, where only the lowest pipes of useful keys were present.


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Originally Posted by ShiroKuro
Ah, so perhaps not actually keyboard-instruments. I was curious because with other instruments a limited number of notes doesn't seem like such an issue to me. But with a piano or other keyboard instrument, it doesn't make sense to not have the full range. At least in my mind, after all, isn't that the whole point of a piano?

You’re exactly right. The acoustic piano is an instrument that can provide melody, harmony, and bass(percussion) at the same time. It is a stand alone instrument. The acoustic guitar, depending on the players skill can be a solo instrument. A harp can be played solo. There are several others. The B flat clarinet, not so much. An audience would quickly tire of the sound. Probably not as fast as listening to bagpipes. wink
A typical 6 string guitar uses precision finger placement on the neck on or between the frets to create all the possible sounds within a fixed range. On the piano keyboard, you just press keys. I wouldn’t be interested in having my choice of major and minor keys, chords or arpeggios cut down. I don’t need the Bosendorfer or Fazioli additional keys, just the standard 88 is fine by me.

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This piano strikes a chord for me,no pun intended..the first song I taught myself after Mary had a little Lamb was Mockingbird Hill in C..I still play mostly in C,it lends itself well to waltzes,which I love to make up on the fly.But I can't remember what I played,so mine are all lost to history.

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And isn't your piano also an instrument with a limited number of notes?

No, not in the way that I meant it in my earlier comment. A traditional piano can play all the notes on the chromatic scale -- unlike the all-white keys piano in the original post here. See j&j's comment as well.


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Originally Posted by j&j
The acoustic piano is an instrument that can provide melody, harmony, and bass(percussion) at the same time. It is a stand alone instrument. The acoustic guitar, depending on the players skill can be a solo instrument. A harp can be played solo. There are several others. The B flat clarinet, not so much. An audience would quickly tire of the sound.

In defense of the B flat clarinet (my first instrument), in the hands of an artist like Benny Goodman it can be quite expressive and soul-stirring.


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This piano is just so dumb it is unbelievable. It the midst of this Covid 19 and the fact that we have even have to discuss such a stupid piano on an international forum is totally unbelievable !

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This piano is just so dumb it is unbelievable. In the midst of this Covid 19 and the fact that we have even have to discuss such a stupid piano on an international forum is totally unbelievable !

I agree, but as they say, desperate people do desperate things.


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