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Sforzandi in Beethoven
#3011135 08/07/20 11:27 AM
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Hello,

My teacher and various other pianists have said that if there is a row of sforzandi in Beethoven, each one should be played louder than the preceding one. What supports this claim?

Thank you!

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Originally Posted by samwitdangol
Hello,

My teacher and various other pianists have said that if there is a row of sforzandi in Beethoven, each one should be played louder than the preceding one. What supports this claim?

Thank you!

Can you cite examples, please?

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Originally Posted by samwitdangol
Hello,

My teacher and various other pianists have said that if there is a row of sforzandi in Beethoven, each one should be played louder than the preceding one. What supports this claim?

Thank you!

Can you cite examples, please?

Regards,

Cite pianists who said that or cite music?

If the former, I do not remember, but I think AndrĂ¡s Schiff mentioned it in his lecture-recitals.

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I strongly think it isn't necessarily right, but it's an interesting idea.

I second Bruce's question: "examples"??

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I think that may relate to the concept of "doing something" with repeated notes, not playing each one at exactly the same dynamic level.

I remember a (slight) battle with two different teachers over the repeated notes in the opening theme of Beethoven's 3rd Piano Concerto, 3rd movement. They thought that those notes should crescendo slightly, whereas I heard them as being primarily rhythmic, and felt doing so was "overworking" the melody. I can't remember who won that battle. laugh


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Originally Posted by WhoDwaldi
I think that may relate to the concept of "doing something" with repeated notes, not playing each one at exactly the same dynamic level.

I remember a (slight) battle with two different teachers over the repeated notes in the opening theme of Beethoven's 3rd Piano Concerto, 3rd movement. They thought that those notes should crescendo slightly, whereas I heard them as being primarily rhythmic, and felt doing so was "overworking" the melody. I can't remember who won that battle. laugh

I'm 99% with you.

(Why not 100%??
I'm always willing to listen to the other side -- which in this case would need to be a demonstration, not just an argument.)

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Originally Posted by WhoDwaldi
I think that may relate to the concept of "doing something" with repeated notes, not playing each one at exactly the same dynamic level.

"Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar"...


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