2017 was our 20th year online!

Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 3 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

Shop our online store for music lovers
SEARCH
Piano Forums & Piano World
(ad)
Petrof Pianos
Petrof Pianos
(ad)
Best of Piano Buyer
 Best of Piano Buyer
(ad)
Faust Harrison Pianos
Faust Harrison 100+ Steinway pianos
Who's Online Now
41 members (cmb13, bounced, ElaineAllegro, 36251, Craig Richards, dng, ee375, AZNpiano, 7 invisible), 434 guests, and 330 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
(ad)
Estonia Pianos
Estonia Pianos
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Hop To
Thoughts on top Kawai (VPC1/MP11) vs Yamaha (CLP665) actions
#3010345 08/05/20 03:54 AM
Joined: Nov 2019
Posts: 56
G
giu Offline OP
Full Member
OP Offline
Full Member
G
Joined: Nov 2019
Posts: 56
I have recently been on holiday in a wonderful house in Cornwall endowed with a Yamaha CLP-665 GP (GH3X action). My home DP is a Kawai VPC1 (RM3 Grand II action) and I also own an MP11 (Grand Feel i action) which I am in the process of selling.

I moved to the VPC1 from the MP11 because the MP11 action, while a real joy to play, is too lightweight compared to most real pianos I come across (e.g. my teacher's) and adapting takes me more than the hour of my piano lesson.

I enjoyed playing the CLP665 a lot. The action is substantially heavier than both the VPC1 and the MP11, but adapting from the VPC1 was not too hard. And coming back home the VPC1 feels really lightweight!

Main takeaways: The keys on the CLP665 feel substantially more plasticky than those of the VPC1 and MP11. What I liked most of the CLP665 action was the quicker return of the keys compared to the Kawai. Once you adapted to the higher downweight, playing trills was easier on the CLP665 thanks to the faster rebound.

All in all, the three actions are great, though different. I could live with any of the three, though I still feel the VPC1 is the best halfway house for being able to adapt relatively quickly to a wide range of actions. Furthermore, its responsiveness to changes is velocity curves is unsurpassed (definitely compared to the MP11).

Re: Thoughts on top Kawai (VPC1/MP11) vs Yamaha (CLP665) actions
giu #3010363 08/05/20 05:17 AM
Joined: Jul 2014
Posts: 1,914
1000 Post Club Member
Offline
1000 Post Club Member
Joined: Jul 2014
Posts: 1,914
Originally Posted by giu
I have recently been on holiday in a wonderful house in Cornwall endowed with a Yamaha CLP-665 GP (GH3X action). My home DP is a Kawai VPC1 (RM3 Grand II action) and I also own an MP11 (Grand Feel i action) which I am in the process of selling.

I moved to the VPC1 from the MP11 because the MP11 action, while a real joy to play, is too lightweight compared to most real pianos I come across (e.g. my teacher's) and adapting takes me more than the hour of my piano lesson.

I enjoyed playing the CLP665 a lot. The action is substantially heavier than both the VPC1 and the MP11, but adapting from the VPC1 was not too hard. And coming back home the VPC1 feels really lightweight!

Main takeaways: The keys on the CLP665 feel substantially more plasticky than those of the VPC1 and MP11. What I liked most of the CLP665 action was the quicker return of the keys compared to the Kawai. Once you adapted to the higher downweight, playing trills was easier on the CLP665 thanks to the faster rebound.

All in all, the three actions are great, though different. I could live with any of the three, though I still feel the VPC1 is the best halfway house for being able to adapt relatively quickly to a wide range of actions. Furthermore, its responsiveness to changes is velocity curves is unsurpassed (definitely compared to the MP11).

The Yamaha actions in the better CLP range are nice but heavier than the average grand-piano.
Of course, the piano your teacher has is probably more akin to the Yamaha.

I think if you only play your teachers piano once per week, there would be no point in change.

Yamaha actions do rebound faster, it's one thing I do like about them.


Instruments: Current - Kawai MP7SE; Past - Kawai MP7, Yamaha PSR7000
Software: Sibelius 7; Neuratron Photoscore Pro 8
Stand: K&M 18953 Table-style Stage Piano Stand
Re: Thoughts on top Kawai (VPC1/MP11) vs Yamaha (CLP665) actions
giu #3010381 08/05/20 06:34 AM
Joined: Feb 2019
Posts: 1,949
K
1000 Post Club Member
Offline
1000 Post Club Member
K
Joined: Feb 2019
Posts: 1,949
I don't have a large experience of acoustic actions. The Yamaha concert grand I've played is heavy, a Blüthner 7" grand was very light, and a Sauter upright was in between. My understanding is that acoustic actions vary a lot in their weight. The Petrof upright of my teacher's is lighter than my MP11SE and same goes for the Blüthner. I found my teacher's upright Petrof almost impossible to control because the action is light, I could produce no soft dynamics at all playing it, except in the upper treble where it is weak and you really have to really give it some kick to get decent volume out of it compared to the lower notes.

I have certainly improved playing it.

Oddly I find switching to playing the heavy action concert grand Yamaha is the easiest, it is a bit of a shock initially but that weight makes it much easier to access its full dynamic range. I suspect if I had to play it for any length of time I would probably get tired not being used to it. But the longest I've got to play it at any one time is for 10 minutes before the local meet up starts to get the feel of it before playing my piece later.

All I'm saying is that acoustic actions vary widely, and though the MP11SE action is on the lighter side of that range it is nowhere near an extreme end.


Moderated by  Piano World 

Link Copied to Clipboard
(ad)
Pianoteq
PianoTeq Karsten Collection
(ad)
Piano Life Saver - Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
Download Sheet Music
Virtual Sheet Music - Classical Sheet Music Downloads
New Topics - Multiple Forums
Favorite mass?
by chopinetto - 09/23/20 06:51 PM
Dilemma-help
by Cutec - 09/23/20 05:35 PM
Vose & Sons Serial Number(s)
by piperbill - 09/23/20 05:03 PM
Buying first piano - Kawai 506n
by hmm2135 - 09/23/20 03:45 PM
What's Hot!!
News from the Piano World
3,000,000+!
------------------
Posting Pictures on the Forums
-------------------
Forums RULES & HELP
-------------------
ADVERTISE on Piano World
Forum Statistics
Forums41
Topics201,783
Posts3,006,179
Members98,650
Most Online15,252
Mar 21st, 2010
Please Support Our Advertisers


Faust Harrison 100+ Steinways

Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver

 Best of Piano Buyer

PianoTeq Bechstein
Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers

Virtual Sheet Music - Classical Sheet Music Downloads



 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
| Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter |


copyright 1997 - 2020 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.4