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CN29/39 price range and not made in china
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Hi! I want to pick up piano playing again (30 years later).

I wanna spend money in the Kawai CN29/39 range. Furniture or Desktop with pedals/stand.
I also will not buy a made in china instrument. Not because of quality but I refuse to support them (not trolling).

Both the CN29 and ES8 sound lovley and action has gotn good reviews at the price point.
The Yamaha P515 seems like a good instrument too, are they chinese made?

I am mostly interested in classical music.
Any other models I should check out?

Thankful for any advice!

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Many Yamaha and Kawai digitals are made in Indonesia. My student just bought a Roland FP30 that was made in Malaysia.


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Note that Kawai and Yamaha have made pianos in multiple countries. So check the label.

The serial number label on the piano will indicate the country of origin.

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robbah99 #3009856 08/03/20 01:52 PM
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From its box, my CN37 bought in Europe was made in Indonesia.

Anyway I think it's very difficult today to avoid to buy electronic devices "made in China". You should exclude so many well-know (and not) brands... Almost all of them make electronic products in China factories. Maybe Indonesia is the only exception, with some products made there rather than in China.

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Regardless of where it claims to be "made", it will inevitably contain components made in china.


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As others have mentioned, it's really hard to avoid China completely, you pretty much have to draw a personal (arbitrary) line as to where you stand. Is it just what the label says on the box? Is merely "assembled" in China ok? Does it have to be China-free to vegan standards?

If you're just concerned about the label on the box, you're in luck. Many DPs are made outside of China. Both Yamaha and Kawai build their DPs in Indonesia. I think Roland builds out of Malaysia. Not sure about the other major players, but in this industry you luckily won't be wanting for choice.


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robbah99 #3009944 08/03/20 05:30 PM
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And even if it's assembled in Indonesia or on Mars, I'm 100% sure it will be full of electronic components made in China, so absolutely avoiding electronic devices with "made in China" label would be like tilting at windmills...

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I fear you're right. It's especially sad that items made in China are being sold to people in America ... who used to make those very items, but lost their jobs to China by the millions.

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Originally Posted by robbah99
I wanna spend money in the Kawai CN29/39 range. Furniture or Desktop with pedals/stand.
I also will not buy a made in china instrument. Not because of quality but I refuse to support them (not trolling).

As noted above, most Kawai DPs (including the CN29/CN39) are produced in Indonesia. However, the CN29 sold in Japan is produced in China.

I hope this helps.

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Thank you for all replies.
Yes, it's hard to avoid china made stuff, but I try as best as I can.

Now, i'm gonna try and find a CN39 to play!

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So, if you play a DP and you feel it is very very good but it's labeled "made in China" on the box and then another DP that you feel is not so good but it's labeled "made in Anywhere_except_China", considering the same price you would buy the latter?

If I can give you a suggestion, go play as many DPs you can, and pick the best product for your fingers, your ears and your wallet. A digital piano (especially those in cabinet-style) should last for many many years, so think well at your priorities when you'll make your choice. Acoustic pianos, after some years, if they are well maintained they could sound even better than when they were brand new. This never happens for digital pianos...

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
I fear you're right. It's especially sad that items made in China are being sold to people in America ... who used to make those very items, but lost their jobs to China by the millions.

Another way to put it: low-value added work has been outsourced to China, capitalizing on cheap labor, while profits remained and accumulated in the US. New, jobs have been created with higher value add and salary, contributing to higher standards of living in the US. No other country benefited more from globalization and outsourcing to China than the US. Sure, not every person benefited, but on an aggregate level, 95% of US citizens are better off this way.

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Don't worry. In a year or two wealthy Chinese companies will outsource factory work to low cost countries in Europe and North America.

Then you get to build your own digital piano! 😄

(Probably not a very likely scenario.)

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Where do you read that nonsense.
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I fear you're right. It's especially sad that items made in China are being sold to people in America ... who used to make those very items, but lost their jobs to China by the millions.
Another way to put it: low-value added work has been outsourced to China, capitalizing on cheap labor, while profits remained and accumulated in the US. New, jobs have been created with higher value add and salary, contributing to higher standards of living in the US. No other country benefited more from globalization and outsourcing to China than the US. Sure, not every person benefited, but on an aggregate level, 95% of US citizens are better off this way.
My facility lost 1800 people in a single year in 2001 as all the manufacturing got outsourced and off-shored. Those were jobs that paid twice minimum wage at the low end, and much more for skilled people. With benefits. With free educational opportunities.

Those people were put out on the street as the jobs went to China. They've not found better jobs.

Elsewhere millions more lost similar jobs. People who worked in manufacturing and other labor jobs ... whose parents and grandparents did likewise ... who were not equipped with skills for the new IT/data world ... are suffering in low-pay jobs paying not much more than minimum, and with few benefits.

And you claim that 95% are better off? What a load of crap!

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Originally Posted by robbah99
I wanna spend money in the Kawai CN29/39 range. Furniture or Desktop with pedals/stand.
I also will not buy a made in china instrument. Not because of quality but I refuse to support them (not trolling).

Some say with the DG30, there's a CN39 for an MSRP of 7'499 USD. With that range in mind, I'm sure you'll find a piano built entirely in Germany.

(Just kidding.)


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Hi! I am doing Some market research and would like to know a few things about pianists when they are playing their piano.
What is the most common age for a pianist?
How often do you use a piano?
Do you currently own a music stand?
Are there any issues with your current stand?
Any replies are more than much appreciated:)

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Troll much?


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