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Question about expected Pianoteq sound quality
#3009263 08/01/20 07:34 PM
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So I downloaded the Pianoteq demo today and had a play. Great features however the sound quality wasn't quite what I was expecting and I'm unsure whether this is the expected sound from Pianoteq or due to an issue with my setup. It's hard to describe but it sounds a bit dull and 'muddy' to my ears, not as clean sounding as the demos on their website.

I've recorded this excerpt using the Steinway B Recording 1 preset:

Pianoteq demo

Current setup is Yamaha P125 direct to PC via USB.
Audio device type: Windows Audio

Would be grateful for any opinions and advice.

Thanks!

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I think this is just the character of Pianoteq sound.

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Try their Bechstein.
Steinway B is old model, it might not use improvements from Pianoteq 6.


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Bechstein model it´s the best, so far

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Once in a while I try Pianoteq to see if I like it, but always with the same result: I like the playability and responsiveness of the modelled engine, but don't like the piano sound. Soon after I play my Garritan CFX and say, "wow, this is how a virtual piano must sound".

One thing I tried with interesting results is to increase the length of the string in Pianoteq. To me it appears that increasing it to about 4 meters makes it sound more like a standard 2.75m piano. But since I only tried the demo, I didn't explore much.


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Yep that's expected IMHO. They'll crack it one of these days.

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Originally Posted by psyche23
So I downloaded the Pianoteq demo today and had a play. Great features however the sound quality wasn't quite what I was expecting and I'm unsure whether this is the expected sound from Pianoteq or due to an issue with my setup. It's hard to describe but it sounds a bit dull and 'muddy' to my ears, not as clean sounding as the demos on their website.

I've recorded this excerpt using the Steinway B Recording 1 preset:

Pianoteq demo

Current setup is Yamaha P125 direct to PC via USB.
Audio device type: Windows Audio

Would be grateful for any opinions and advice.

Thanks!



Well, it sounds pretty good to me.


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Thanks for all the advice and feedback. I'll play around with the settings a bit as I've only used it out the box. Will investigate the other instruments too. thumb

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I'll second (third?) the Bechstein.


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And the Blüthner. Always the Blüthner.

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psyche23 #3009377 Yesterday at 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by psyche23
It's hard to describe but it sounds a bit dull and 'muddy' to my ears, not as clean sounding as the demos on their website.

There are two kinds of equalizers that you can change the overall colour of the sound with (increasing the treble tends to make things less "dull").

But the one factor that really can change the playing experience is the velocity curve; try messing around with that to see how much you can change the sound.


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And the Blüthner. Always the Blüthner.

I think that's the one for "Bill Evans Music." That one is the you know what!

There's a store here in LA where they sell the real ones. Amazing, and cool lady explains all about them.

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Your playing sux, lacking dynamic and has uneven tempo, hahaha. Just kidding.

It sounds fine to me. Everyone has memories of a specific piano sound or a set of sounds, these preferences will develop and change over time.

A person can be polarized to a narrow set of expectations, but the great thing about Digital is that you can just buy all of them, and switch whenever you feel like it. Apples are good, but sometimes you want orange, and other times papaya.

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Bechstein is peace, clear and sweet.
And I like Bluthner too, the high notes are charming and very artistic.
But I never used factory presets like VSL. Patiently fine-tuning a number of parameters, EQ and mics to suit your taste and feel, headphones or stereo system. I think it took me a couple of months to get self-satisfied results on PTQ.


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I hear it. It sounds clear to me (eg not muddy), but lacks depth and somehow sounds "digital." I don't use Pianoteq that much, but I have found some FXP settings that work really well and produce a nice sound. So I think it's just about finding some presets and pianos that work.


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I feel like you should be able to equalize this to your satisfaction, without changing anything else. Just click the Equalizer button, click a point on the curve you want to tweak and give it a little boost to taste. I find it makes a big difference in the sound.

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One feature that gives a more realistic sound, that I love in pianoteq, it's the condition bar.
Never use 100%.mint..maybe 90 a 95%....
A micro detune gives a nice upright spirit to the sound.

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It is what it is, I tried it and it sounds exactly like your sample. Lacks somehow "reality" IMO. Maybe is the resonance, too hard to emulate. I think it can be good if you want to play it out of a laptop, reasonable CPU consumption and very light on disk space of course. But to my ears a good sample like CFX (my favourite) or Ivory is miles ahead.

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Pianoteq is love or hate. If you’re one of these people that are not convinced by its sound (neither I am myself), you better look for sample libraries because this lack of timbre realism has nothing to do with EQ or tweaking settings IMO.


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Yes, very marmite. I've grown used to it, but there's definitely something about the steinway D, especially in the broad C3-C5 range, that lacks a certain airyness and separation. Leads to a muffled, cluttered sound.

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