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Lakeone Wood Rebuilder not available
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I have just been informed that Lakeone Wood Rebuilder is no longer available. Allied Supply in PA has been the sole US distributor for decades. This is a real bummer because this stuff does things in wood repair that no other product can duplicate.

It is made in France by Initiatives Decoration. I do not know whether they have totally discontinued making it, or whether they just don't want to (or can't) sell it in the US anymore. I am hoping that some of you who live there in France could track this down and find out what is going on.

For those who do not know, it is a polyester based resin with a powdered catalyst mixed with wood dust. Yes, it is toxic and probably causes brain damage...yes, it is considered flammable...yes, it is difficult to ship... So, are they still making it and selling it in Europe, or is it entirely gone from the market? This is what I need to find out. It has become nearly indispensable to me over the years due to the wire variety of things that I do with it.

I would greatly appreciate it if you are in a position to find out anything on this.

Thanks,

Peter Grey Piano Doctor

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Re: Lakeone Wood Rebuilder not available
P W Grey #3008397 07/30/20 09:56 AM
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A quick Google search here in the UK turned up quite a few "Page missing" and "Item missing" hits. Lakeone's other products (polishes etc.) seem to be available.

It's not something I've heard of before; is it used to sure up rotting timber and the such? Would something like West System epoxy work for you? It creeps very well, and will find the smallest of holes to escape from (don't ask me how I know...!). If that's too thick, would thin CA work? I've used that to reinforce wood before, and it can work very well smile


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Some time back, Brookstone sold a "wood restorer" that I used with good results. It was water-thin, and wicked into the wood without problem. Since this is a piano place, I will mention that I was using it to render the wood impervious to moisture and dimensional changes around the Teflon bushings in a Steinway concert piano that was exhibiting all the problems of the Teflon bushing. This was in 1980. I popped all the bushings out, dipped the ends of the shanks up past the holes in the solution, and let them dry(set) overnight. I replaced the bushings the next day, pinned them all at 2 grams, and in the following 6 years before replacing them, never had another clicking note in the piano. The factory rep that examined this piano at year 2 told me it was a great idea but the factory would never do that because it made the wood a different color at the end. So much for function vs. image. I think if they had gone ahead and stabilized the bosses before inserting the bushings, Teflon would still be here with us, as it was, after this treatment, far more consistent, trustworthy, and durable than the felt that replaced it.

I believe the same results can be had with West System epoxy resin, since it can be thinned with acetone to a very capillary-friendly viscosity.
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The advantage of Wood Rebuilder is that it is:

1) Sets fast

2) Tough as nails

3) Easily workable within a short window of opportunity

4) Stainable...to a point

5) Has wood in it

6) Variable in its viscosity by mix

Disadvantage is that it is HIGHLY SMELLY and has a shelf life.

Epoxy fillers work too, but they're just not quite like this stuff.

Peter Grey Piano Doctor


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P W Grey #3008682 07/31/20 06:26 AM
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This is serious. I feel exactly as Peter does about the usefulness of this awful, nasty product. If it's really gone forever (and honestly, I'm surprised somebody didn't ban it years ago) we'll need to come up with a replacement or more likely replacements. I just used some the other day to reinforce/rebuild the threads for some stripped action frame screws, which now accept more torque than my hands can offer.


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Originally Posted by P W Grey
The advantage of Wood Rebuilder is that it is:

1) Sets fast

2) Tough as nails

3) Easily workable within a short window of opportunity

4) Stainable...to a point

5) Has wood in it

6) Variable in its viscosity by mix

Disadvantage is that it is HIGHLY SMELLY and has a shelf life.

Epoxy fillers work too, but they're just not quite like this stuff.

Peter Grey Piano Doctor

I'm sure they are not exactly the same but the Liberon wood fillers work well for me and are worth a look. Water based so nice to use as well.

Re: Lakeone Wood Rebuilder not available
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I don’t have much of a experience regarding piano finishes but I’m familiar with surfboard repairs. Most surfboards are coated with polyester resin with catalyst, sometimes filler materials and/or colors pigments are add depending on the type of repair required. Epoxy resin does not adhere to poly resin surface as well so it could chip off while sanding. A respirator with proper cartilages is a must as the vapor is quite harmful. Time to hit the surf shop! You’d need the real liquid poly resin and catalyst pack, not the temporary repair paste kit. Add some sawdust and/or dye to match and I’m thinking it’s going to be pretty closed the discontinued product... I hope!

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Forgot to add, the catalyst comes in an eye dropper bottle as it is in liquid form. A pint size poly resin pack is about $25 so very affordable for testing.


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