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CVP805 or CVP709
#3006405 07/24/20 06:19 PM
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Hello,

I got an offer from a Yamaha dealer in Canada for CVP709B, which I can buy it as the same price as CVP805B ($7,400 CAD)
What would you buy in this situation (which one is better CVP709 or CVP805)?

Thanks

Re: CVP805 or CVP709
arash mehrad #3006407 07/24/20 06:24 PM
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If you're looking at touch and tone to be honest go with CVP-709, GrandTouch is too heavy of an action and there's not that many improvements. Better speakers on the CVP-805 but the action is a problem. If you're looking for features go with CVP-805.


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arash mehrad #3006655 07/25/20 02:30 PM
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Err actually the speakers on the CVP709 is better than the 805.


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arash mehrad #3006670 07/25/20 03:29 PM
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My first question is: are you absolutely sure you need a very expensive average digital piano with tons of bells and whistles that have little to do with piano playing?
If your answer is yes then I'd suggest buying the latest model you can get your hands on; otherwise, you'll be spending a whole lot of money on a very heavy piece of old technology.

I hope that was taken as an honest advice and nothing else. I wanted a grand body dp and tried out the CLP-695GP and CVP-809GP a few months ago and didn't like either one at all. If you want a good piano and can spend that much, look at the hybrids. If you want the auto accompaniment features, add a Yamaha arranger keyboard. You can play them separately or midi them together. If you're absolutely sure you must have them in one package then buy the latest model smile

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arash mehrad #3006973 07/26/20 01:02 PM
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You definitely, definitely, definitely need to try out both the counterweighted NWX keyboard (which is pretty much only in the CVP709) and the Grand Touch keyboard (which is found in the CVP805 and many other models, one of which is bound to be available for you to try).

I was almost in the same situation. On paper the CVP809GP looks quite a bit better than the CVP709GP, and I was even ready to spend more on it. But after trying a Grand Touch keyboard, I really, really didn’t like it—as others have said, it’s way too heavy. (What did one person here call it, the new SCA or “Simulated Concrete Action”? Haha!)

What an unfortunate step backwards for Yamaha. I know you can get used to just about anything, but I was also worried about long-term damage to my hand muscles, plus just not wanting to play as long. On the CVP709 keyboard, I didn’t want to stop playing. Sure, it’s not as good as a real concert grand, but the difference between the two keyboards in question is night and day! I’m willing to buy an “obsolete” piano instead of the latest but extremely flawed product (to me at least).

Now I just need to find and buy my next house before I can no longer find a 709.

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joemama42O #3006981 07/26/20 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by joemama42O
If you're looking at touch and tone to be honest go with CVP-709, GrandTouch is too heavy of an action and there's not that many improvements. Better speakers on the CVP-805 but the action is a problem. If you're looking for features go with CVP-805.

Thanks Joemama420 for your advice, I haven't tried them but my assumption was CVP805 has a better touch and tone

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arash mehrad #3006986 07/26/20 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Beowulf
Err actually the speakers on the CVP709 is better than the 805.

Based on what I read on yamaha's website I agree with you

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djvu10 #3006990 07/26/20 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by djvu10
My first question is: are you absolutely sure you need a very expensive average digital piano with tons of bells and whistles that have little to do with piano playing?
If your answer is yes then I'd suggest buying the latest model you can get your hands on; otherwise, you'll be spending a whole lot of money on a very heavy piece of old technology.

I hope that was taken as an honest advice and nothing else. I wanted a grand body dp and tried out the CLP-695GP and CVP-809GP a few months ago and didn't like either one at all. If you want a good piano and can spend that much, look at the hybrids. If you want the auto accompaniment features, add a Yamaha arranger keyboard. You can play them separately or midi them together. If you're absolutely sure you must have them in one package then buy the latest model smile

Thanks djvu10 for your advice,
That's a good question, I like playing along with accompaniment and different natural voices, at the moment I have a Yamaha P45 dp and Yamaha PSR SX900 keyboard,
I wanted to upgrade my dp because P45 doesn't have a good touch
Also I'm not very good in Midi stuff, can I midi them together and play styles and different voices (from arranger) on my dp?

Re: CVP805 or CVP709
arash mehrad #3006993 07/26/20 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by PlsDontShootMe
You definitely, definitely, definitely need to try out both the counterweighted NWX keyboard (which is pretty much only in the CVP709) and the Grand Touch keyboard (which is found in the CVP805 and many other models, one of which is bound to be available for you to try).

I was almost in the same situation. On paper the CVP809GP looks quite a bit better than the CVP709GP, and I was even ready to spend more on it. But after trying a Grand Touch keyboard, I really, really didn’t like it—as others have said, it’s way too heavy. (What did one person here call it, the new SCA or “Simulated Concrete Action”? Haha!)

What an unfortunate step backwards for Yamaha. I know you can get used to just about anything, but I was also worried about long-term damage to my hand muscles, plus just not wanting to play as long. On the CVP709 keyboard, I didn’t want to stop playing. Sure, it’s not as good as a real concert grand, but the difference between the two keyboards in question is night and day! I’m willing to buy an “obsolete” piano instead of the latest but extremely flawed product (to me at least).

Now I just need to find and buy my next house before I can no longer find a 709.

Thanks PlsDontShootMe for your advice,
I really didn't know the 800 series have a such bad and heavy touch

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arash mehrad #3006997 07/26/20 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by arash mehrad
Thanks PlsDontShootMe for your advice,
I really didn't know the 800 series have a such bad and heavy touch
I think over half of the members here who tried the GrandTouch action hate it but Yamaha still sells them very well which goes to show there are people who like the touch so it isn't necessarily bad.


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djvu10 #3007030 07/26/20 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by djvu10
My first question is: are you absolutely sure you need a very expensive average digital piano with tons of bells and whistles that have little to do with piano playing?
If your answer is yes then I'd suggest buying the latest model you can get your hands on; otherwise, you'll be spending a whole lot of money on a very heavy piece of old technology.

I hope that was taken as an honest advice and nothing else. I wanted a grand body dp and tried out the CLP-695GP and CVP-809GP a few months ago and didn't like either one at all. If you want a good piano and can spend that much, look at the hybrids. If you want the auto accompaniment features, add a Yamaha arranger keyboard. You can play them separately or midi them together. If you're absolutely sure you must have them in one package then buy the latest model smile

Btw do you know any good dp for training (I mean like the 'following lights' in CVP series)
How about CSP 150/170 ?
Is there any brand/model with a guide mode like that?

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