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Comparing Pramberger v W. Hoffman
#3003166 07/15/20 09:59 PM
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My daughter has been taking piano lessons on my old Yamaha keyboard that I bought for myself one year when I had a sabbatical and decided then that I was going to learn how to play piano. I was able to play "Jingle Bells" and that was that. That is to say: I know virtually nothing about pianos and I'm about to make a purchase, so I'm hoping the kind folks in this forum can help.

My daughter has been taking lessons weekly and playing on her own besides that for 6 years. She loves piano and her birthday is in two weeks. It's time to upgrade!!!

I, and a tuner that her piano teacher has recommended, are going to look at two pianos tomorrow. Both upright pianos listed "by owner" at $3,000, and, by the pictures look to be in very good condition. They are:

1. Pramberger, 2013. Barely used, "mint" condition. Made in Indonesia. Ebony satin. I see comps on Ebay: a 2015 @ $3,790 and a 2016 @ $3,000. The owner bought it in 2014 for $6,000 at a piano shop when it was one year old. I have a feeling by talking with the owner's adult son that this was purchased for someone who never/barely used it.
2. Bechstein, "W. Hoffman", 2001. Made in Czech Republic. "Excellent condition". Ebony high-gloss. The owner is a woman who said it's her "second instrument" (her voice being the first). She's had it tuned each year since owning it and is moving to a much more humid climate so (because of acclimation issues) she needs to sell. She has mentioned that it has a "European sound." I see one comp on Ebay for 5,990 Euros.

What are your thoughts on these two pianos and what a fair offer price might be?
Thanks so much for your help!
Karen


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While the value of any used piano is based primarily on its condition, and that to be determined by a technician examining the piano, it is good that you are taking your tuner with you to examine these instruments. All things being equal - which they decidedly are not - I would probably be inclined towards the Hoffman, but there you have a twenty-year old east European piano against a seven-year old Indonesian. You haven't indicated whether these instruments are comparable in size; that can make a difference, too. Let your tuner decide which he thinks is the better of the two.

With your daughter having played for six years already and taking lessons, I would think that she may have reached some level of accomplishment, and it would be a shame not to involve her in the choice of piano since (I presume) she will be the one playing it most. Since pianos are so individual not only from one brand to another but within the same models of the same brand, it should be the pianist who makes the ultimate choice on the instrument that suits her best. These two pianos may be vastly different in touch and tone and your daughter may well prefer one over the other.

Were I in a similar position to yours, I would not rush into a purchase within the short time line of two weeks, but would take my time to explore a little more what's available in your area and with your daughter along for her input. You might also look at pianos at a dealer where, though you may pay a slightly higher price than from an owner eager to sell, you may be able to negotiate on delivery and a tuning after the move.

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I think BruceD is absolutely correct. It great to use your piano technician’s recommendation and a great idea to have your daughter weigh in on the choice. Certainly there is no reason to rush. More than a few piano dealerships are reopening and may have some nice pianos on sale. Take your time. Best Wishes on your daughter’s piano adventure. It’s so exciting when young people are interested in learning and playing piano (or any other instrument but on the piano forum it’s especially exciting if it’s piano).


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Thank you BruceD and j&j. I appreciate your feedback.

I've been researching for a couple of months and it seemed to me that the Hoffman was superior to anything else I've seen in the $3k and under price range, but it *is* almost 20 years old.

I saw the first one (Pramberger) this morning and though the casing was in great shape, and the hammers didn't even show wear from the strings (hopefully I'm saying that right), my tech was not very impressed with it. We'll see what the Hoffman looks/sounds like tonight and I will bring my daughter. Though since she is only turning 13, I wonder if she will just pick the prettiest smile


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Kazzy0:

Do keep us posted on your search. It's always interesting to read how others fare in finding a piano.

Good luck as your search continues.

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Originally Posted by KazzyO
Thank you BruceD and j&j. I appreciate your feedback.

I've been researching for a couple of months and it seemed to me that the Hoffman was superior to anything else I've seen in the $3k and under price range, but it *is* almost 20 years old.

I saw the first one (Pramberger) this morning and though the casing was in great shape, and the hammers didn't even show wear from the strings (hopefully I'm saying that right), my tech was not very impressed with it. We'll see what the Hoffman looks/sounds like tonight and I will bring my daughter. Though since she is only turning 13, I wonder if she will just pick the prettiest smile

If I read your post correctly your daughter has been playing for nearly half of her life so her choice might be more mature and she might prefer the better sound and responsive feel. Have faith in her inner musician.

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Yes, that is right. Perspective!


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