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Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On
CyberGene #3000236 07/08/20 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by CyberGene
I understand why you would prefer VST-s. I love Garritan CFX. But the N1X gives me better playability and control.

Great playing as usual. You have a nice finesse and flow in the song that makes it very relaxing and enjoyable to listen to.

Concerning the sound, yeah, it sounds dull to me. I can live with the binaural sample, but all of the internal piano samples played through the speakers do not inspire me.

I don't think I'm good enough to notice a difference in playability. I don't use Garritan, but my VSL samples seem to play like the internal samples while sounding better to me.

I wish you could could try the VSL Bösendorfer Imperial. I'd like to know what you think about the playability compared the N1X internal sounds. Again, I'm not good enough to detect a difference, but I'd like to know what you think.

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Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On
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I have limited experience with grands but I managed to try out a Yamaha C1X and GB1K before with their lids closed, and they didn't sound as dull and muffled as the internal samples of the Clavinova and AvantGrand.

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Originally Posted by Beowulf
I have limited experience with grands but I managed to try out a Yamaha C1X and GB1K before with their lids closed, and they didn't sound as dull and muffled as the internal samples of the Clavinova and AvantGrand.

I have to make some direct comparisons. I've certainly played grand pianos that feel a bit dull from the player position but without a direct comparison it's hard to know for sure whether it's comparable to the N1X or not. It's certainly something that one can get used to. For understandable reasons I haven't played any other instrument for months and I don't think it's dull at all. And I don't play so much through speakers anyway, I'm mostly on headphones where it's OK. But switching to the speakers isn't a weird feeling. Just different.


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Originally Posted by David B
Originally Posted by CyberGene
I understand why you would prefer VST-s. I love Garritan CFX. But the N1X gives me better playability and control.

Great playing as usual. You have a nice finesse and flow in the song that makes it very relaxing and enjoyable to listen to.

Concerning the sound, yeah, it sounds dull to me. I can live with the binaural sample, but all of the internal piano samples played through the speakers do not inspire me.

I don't think I'm good enough to notice a difference in playability. I don't use Garritan, but my VSL samples seem to play like the internal samples while sounding better to me.

I wish you could could try the VSL Bösendorfer Imperial. I'd like to know what you think about the playability compared the N1X internal sounds. Again, I'm not good enough to detect a difference, but I'd like to know what you think.

God Bless,
David

Thanks, David! I'd love to test the VSL libraries but honestly am a bit put off by the dongle thing. Besides, I will have to move the Cybrid to another house soon because we don't have space at our flat anymore, it's been in our bedroom laugh Where there are also a Studiologic SL73, a Yamaha MODX6 and an ASM Hydrasynth Keyboard and you can imagine how my wife tolerates this 🤣 I am now "allowed" (this is a joke, she is OK with anything I do but I won't misuse that tolerance) to only keep the N1X and the Hydrasynth, so I'm reorganizing stuff at home and prefer not to bother with a VST connected to the N1X. Some brighter day in future I think I will have a bigger house with an entire music studio room just for me wink

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Originally Posted by CyberGene
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I have limited experience with grands but I managed to try out a Yamaha C1X and GB1K before with their lids closed, and they didn't sound as dull and muffled as the internal samples of the Clavinova and AvantGrand.

I have to make some direct comparisons. I've certainly played grand pianos that feel a bit dull from the player position but without a direct comparison it's hard to know for sure whether it's comparable to the N1X or not. It's certainly something that one can get used to. For understandable reasons I haven't played any other instrument for months and I don't think it's dull at all. And I don't play so much through speakers anyway, I'm mostly on headphones where it's OK. But switching to the speakers isn't a weird feeling. Just different.

When I play with speakers using N3X, I always set the touch sensitivity to 1 (soft) and it sounds much better to me. Wondering how that works for you? I set touch sensitivity back to 2 when I use headphones.

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My favorite playability N1X sound has became the #3 with headphones, binaural=off.
The sustain is fantastic.

Try it, for example with the largo part of Chopins Fantasie impromtu.🙂


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RonnieK #3000606 07/09/20 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by RonnieK
My favorite playability N1X sound has became the #3 with headphones, binaural=off.
The sustain is fantastic.

Try it, for example with the largo part of Chopins Fantasie impromtu.🙂

I tested it. What kind of headphones are you using? To me it sounds a bit shallow and reminds me an upright piano sound. There's certain imperfection to the sound compared to the CFX but I'm not saying that's a bad thing. It can simulate playing a slightly more natural piano rather than the perfect CFX. But still, the binaural CFX sounds much fuller and all-round better to my ears and with my Sennheiser HD-595 open-back headphones.

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Originally Posted by CyberGene
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My favorite playability N1X sound has became the #3 with headphones, binaural=off.
The sustain is fantastic.

Try it, for example with the largo part of Chopins Fantasie impromtu.🙂

I tested it. What kind of headphones are you using? To me it sounds a bit shallow and reminds me an upright piano sound. There's certain imperfection to the sound compared to the CFX but I'm not saying that's a bad thing. It can simulate playing a slightly more natural piano rather than the perfect CFX. But still, the binaural CFX sounds much fuller and all-round better to my ears and with my Sennheiser HD-595 open-back headphones.

I agree that the CFX sounds better, but it is the sustain that is outstanding with #3 when you need a lot of sustained pedaling.

I use the old Sennheiser HD 200 and I still haven't found any god replacement for those headphones.


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Originally Posted by CyberGene
Just discovered something new (for me).

I don't often play through speakers but when I do, I do quiet wink Indeed, I have a neighbor who is a pain in the a** and he complains, so I prefer headphones and also I tend to play at night. But 3 months of working from home and I started using the piano during the day to relax between my work related tasks, hence started to explore the sound through speakers more.

And so I experimented turning on/off the IAC (Intelligent Acoustic Control). And what a change! Seems like this function is by default on and boosts the bass and the treble when playing quieter. I'm not playing very quiet, maybe just a tiny bit quieter than what would be a very loud and full sound but I guess the IAC was already applying the smiley curve. But without the IAC things are more natural and I think it's not a subtle difference. Especially on the Bösendorfer patch which now feels so good, on par with the CFX. Previously I thought I slightly preferred the CFX, but now, after I switched IAC off and play through speakers, I think the two are equal. Also, with IAC off, to me patch no.4 (a brighter version of Bösendorfer) sounds a bit unnatural and more like an EQ-ed versions, which it is.

So, I'd say, try turning IAC on and off and see whether that changes things for you and how. You press function + lowest C key repeatedly and the screen will display "ON" or "OFF". There are also some settings for the depth of the effect when ON, but I think I like it totally off. Luckily it's a setting that's preserved across piano restarts.

When playing through the speakers, I didn't really like the other piano voices apart from the CFX until I tried turning off IAC with piano voice 2 "Bösendorfer", reverb 20, max resonance depth [Piano/Voice + F1] and max string resonance depth [Piano/Voice + F2]. I preferred this deeper/mellower sound over the CFX when playing specific pieces (eg. moonlight sonata). This setting is so far the closest feeling to an acoustic piano (for me at least). I still find CFX is best played via the headphones.

After playing the N1X for a while now, my only minor qualm is that the notes from the 2nd highest G sound a bit on the higher pitch side, resulting in an unpleasant high pitched ringing. Nevertheless, this piano still draws me to playing it every time I glance over it!

p/s I once reported on a potentially faulty pedal where the sustain pedal wouldn't activate randomly whilst playing. I managed to figure out and turns out that it was caused by either the dodgy USB to lightning adapter or the USB cable that I was using. I've only figured out when they both suddenly stopped working haha... the USB cable that I bought was > 3m, which wasn't recommended by the manual so my fault really. So lesson learnt.. if you buy cheap, you buy twice! The one thing that I missed using the Smart Pianist app was the ability to change the environmental settings, which doesn't seem to be possible using the piano settings alone which is annoying/strange!


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For those with an N1X and a VST library, what VST is closest to the CFX headphone experience? Are there any that are even close?


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After playing the N1X for a while now, my only minor qualm is that the notes from the 2nd highest G sound a bit on the higher pitch side, resulting in an unpleasant high pitched ringing. Nevertheless, this piano still draws me to playing it every time I glance over it!

I noticed the ringing when I tried out the N1X in a showroom, but I bought it anyway. Turning down the brilliance setting seems to have no effect. I'm learning to ignore the problem, since the instrument is good in so many other ways.


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Some of you may remember the fallboard woes I had a few weeks after purchasing. The fallboard completely came off the hinge. I had a warranty repair done. Now a year later this just started happening, note this is closing on its own, I don’t “help” it close at all (nor do I ever as the manual tells you not to.)



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The click?


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Mine was making a similar (maybe the same) noise and then it stopped and went back to being quiet again. I chalked it up to humidity/temperature changes.

The noise was made for a short time during the winter months. Now it's quiet in the summer months. Has your ambient temp/humidity changed recently?

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Originally Posted by CyberGene
The click?

Mine clicked like that for a little while. It's two clicks (one on each side) as the fall-board comes to a close (settles).

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I don't know if it's his microphone, but his clicks have more of a metallic sound compared to mine which sounded more wooden.

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Yes the two clicks. They are very metallic indeed, it’s not the mic.


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I think in the coldest months my mechanisms may have produced a very faint click (not sure) compared to being completely silent otherwise but nothing like what can be heard in this video.

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Speaking of cold could any of you mentions what temperature it is in your piano room?

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Originally Posted by Harpuia
Speaking of cold could any of you mentions what temperature it is in your piano room?
Mine is ambient in summer, typically 18-24C, in winter the room is heated by day so between 15-21C. NU1 owner who never closes the fallboard crazy

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