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Looking for a professional pianist around Hamburg
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Hi,
I'm looking for a professional pianist around Hamburg, to help me pick a Steinway Model B from the Steinway factory.
If you are one or know one, I will appreciate if you can send me a private message.
Thanks so much!

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Re: Looking for a professional pianist around Hamburg
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Juan Maria Solare is a professor at Hochschule für Künste Bremen, which is not far from Hamburg. There may be serious students that could be recommended to make the trip as well.

I cannot recommend anyone closer. I hope that helps.


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If you don't get an individual response, you might consider directly contacting the Hochschule für Musik und Theater Hamburg. I understand that all of the music schools in Germany are living under coronavirus conditions right now, but a nicely-worded email to the school might get somebody's attention and a lead on a piano student who would love to go with you to the factory and try out pianos. Only 15 minutes away (!) und viele Studenten sprechen Englisch if that's an issue. Heck, the factory could probably have somebody there.

I could give you several names in Cologne, but Hamburg's a pretty long drive to try out pianos.

Larry.

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I also know a wonderful musician who knows the people there. Ratko Delorko teaches at two universities. I wanted to see if he would even consider this before mentioning him. He said he considers this fun. His email is delorko@gmx.de.

Here is more information on Ratko. I hope you can work something out with him.

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OP - I've put the word out to my German colleagues in a private WhatsApp group. If interested, they might respond to you here on PW, or, if they don't want to join PW, they would respond to me, and I will forward the information.


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In my experience, very few pianists can make informed piano buying decisions. They hear what they play, they tell you what it feels like and whether they like it or not and what kind of repertoire they think a particular piano is suitable for.

When it comes to understanding the long term potential of a grand, the ways it can be modified in terms of regulation, voicing, tuning, room adaptation and influence of settling a new piano into a new environment and having it tuned by a real concert technician, they are - with very few exceptions - laymen. Which is OK, because it's not part of their curriculum during their studies and very few afford themselves the luxury of an intimate relationship with an experienced technician to understand what the real criteria for choosing a personal piano are.

Unless one has really comprehensive experience in dealing with all aspects of what a 'good' makes it good, I'd always take along an experienced concert technician to evaluate a specific piano for my specific purpose. He is the only one to find the ugly duckling that in turn will magically transform into the piano of one's dreams - but also weed out those ones that have been prepared to only sound and play well for the specific showroom.

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Thank you everyone so much!

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Originally Posted by OE1FEU
In my experience, very few pianists can make informed piano buying decisions. They hear what they play, they tell you what it feels like and whether they like it or not and what kind of repertoire they think a particular piano is suitable for.

When it comes to understanding the long term potential of a grand, the ways it can be modified in terms of regulation, voicing, tuning, room adaptation and influence of settling a new piano into a new environment and having it tuned by a real concert technician, they are - with very few exceptions - laymen. Which is OK, because it's not part of their curriculum during their studies and very few afford themselves the luxury of an intimate relationship with an experienced technician to understand what the real criteria for choosing a personal piano are.

Unless one has really comprehensive experience in dealing with all aspects of what a 'good' makes it good, I'd always take along an experienced concert technician to evaluate a specific piano for my specific purpose. He is the only one to find the ugly duckling that in turn will magically transform into the piano of one's dreams - but also weed out those ones that have been prepared to only sound and play well for the specific showroom.


OE1FEU makes good points. One of the reasons I thought of Ratko Delorko is because he is an exception to what is referred to in the post above. He has worked with and for manufacturers and has involvement in the technical aspects of modern and pre modern pianos alike.

Good luck with your choice!


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Of course, the gold-plated version would be to have a techie come to hear what a good pianist can do with the instrument.

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I'm in Hamburg Tennessee, does that count?
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Originally Posted by Chernobieff Piano
I'm in Hamburg Tennessee, does that count?
-chris

...and I am near Berlin, NJ. We should meet in Braunschweig for coffee... and we can tour some piano factories while we are at it.


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Alternatively, you could meet in Vienna, VA, and maybe have a decent cup of coffee there :-)

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Originally Posted by OE1FEU
In my experience, very few pianists can make informed piano buying decisions. They hear what they play, they tell you what it feels like and whether they like it or not and what kind of repertoire they think a particular piano is suitable for.

When it comes to understanding the long term potential of a grand, the ways it can be modified in terms of regulation, voicing, tuning, room adaptation and influence of settling a new piano into a new environment and having it tuned by a real concert technician, they are - with very few exceptions - laymen. Which is OK, because it's not part of their curriculum during their studies and very few afford themselves the luxury of an intimate relationship with an experienced technician to understand what the real criteria for choosing a personal piano are.

Unless one has really comprehensive experience in dealing with all aspects of what a 'good' makes it good, I'd always take along an experienced concert technician to evaluate a specific piano for my specific purpose. He is the only one to find the ugly duckling that in turn will magically transform into the piano of one's dreams - but also weed out those ones that have been prepared to only sound and play well for the specific showroom.

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I would prefer a technician as well. It might occur that a concert pianist opts for an instrument that suits him/her but not you. I suggest that you try the instruments and the technician may help from his point of view. Besides, I am living in Hamburg/Germany. Maybe Joachim Roemer might be worth contacting

http://www.klavierwerkstatt-roemer.de/ueberuns.php

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Totally OT: So I clicked on the link to the German technician's website. It's amusing that Google auto-translate occasionally has difficulty with context, translating "Stimmung" as "mood" (instead of "tuning") and "Flugel" as "wing" (instead of "grand piano.") I guess my "wing" needs a "mood." smile


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When you are in Hamburg (Germany!) anyway, and if you want to see Steinways realizing their full potential, you should not miss the opportunity to talk to these people. As I understand it, several top Steinway technicians set up their own shop to bring Steinways to an even higher level:
https://www.klangmanufaktur.de/en/home/


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Originally Posted by Supply
When you are in Hamburg (Germany!) anyway, and if you want to see Steinways realizing their full potential, you should not miss the opportunity to talk to these people. As I understand it, several top Steinway technicians set up their own shop to bring Steinways to an even higher level:
https://www.klangmanufaktur.de/en/home/
I am sorry to disagree, please do not take it personally. I went there and was deeply disappointed. The Klangmanufaktur is purchasing old and damaged historic Steinways at auctions in the UK in order to rebuild and sell them at excessive prices. When I was there they only had one instrument from 1908 for sale, the action of which was imperfectly regulated, and they wanted 65.000 €. One of their historic and rebuilt Steinways was donated to the conservatory in Hamburg-Blankenese but the students there said they do not like it because action and sound are quite inferior to a new Steinway.

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Interesting, thank you. I have not been there but had heard some very good reviews.


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Originally Posted by Pianist685
Originally Posted by Supply
When you are in Hamburg (Germany!) anyway, and if you want to see Steinways realizing their full potential, you should not miss the opportunity to talk to these people. As I understand it, several top Steinway technicians set up their own shop to bring Steinways to an even higher level:
https://www.klangmanufaktur.de/en/home/
I am sorry to disagree, please do not take it personally. I went there and was deeply disappointed. The Klangmanufaktur is purchasing old and damaged historic Steinways at auctions in the UK in order to rebuild and sell them at excessive prices. When I was there they only had one instrument from 1908 for sale, the action of which was imperfectly regulated, and they wanted 65.000 €. One of their historic and rebuilt Steinways was donated to the conservatory in Hamburg-Blankenese but the students there said they do not like it because action and sound are quite inferior to a new Steinway.

Looking at the Klangmanufactur website, it's interesting to note that they have Steinway pianos
- for sale
- for rent and
- for investment

For investment? The myth continues?

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There are ways to invest in pianos, such as offering them for rent. One must be knowledgeable, however.


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