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Yamaha G2E -No serial number engraved on piano
#3000677 07/09/20 01:49 PM
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Hi everyone,

I just looked at a Yamaha G2E piano, serial number given was 2038132, 2 pedal version. The strange thing is that this serial number is on a small sticker inside the piano as well as on the piano leg, and I could not find it engraved anywhere on the piano that I checked.

The piano plays well, has a nice action, and looks to be in excellent condition. It has been only owned by one family, and was played very little (hammers and strings all in good condition).

The person selling seems very trustworthy, but I'm wondering if there is the risk that the serial number on a sticker represents an inauthentic Yamaha that was sold to them? The shop they bought it from is out of business. I have read online that this model may be a gray market Yamaha. Any thoughts on this? Alternatively, is there any other spots I should check for an engraved serial number if it wasn't immediately obvious?

Thank-you in advance.

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That number does not check out to be a piano made for the US market, which would make it gray market. It is therefore not likely to have been owned by only one family.


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According to Yamaha’s site, that serial number puts the piano as being made in 1975-76. Separate from that, having only two pedals seems to suggest it’s fairly old in any case, I believe. This page gives serials numbers and has an image showing where the serial number should be:

https://usa.yamaha.com/support/finding_age_of_yamaha_piano/index.html

So the one you looked at has no number there? I find that odd. Maybe someone else here can comment?

Have you had the piano evaluated by an independent piano tech? If not, I highly recommend that you do that before buying.

Are you in the US? Do you mind sharing the price you’ve been given? Also if you have any photos please share those as well, since it might help determine whether there’s some fakery going on.

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Welcome to Piano World!

On my Yamaha C7, (circa 1978) the serial number is on the front of the cast iron plate, just to the left of NIPPON GAKKI printed in black ink. If the plate has been repainted, that is likely why the serial # is not in it's usual spot on the front of the plate.

Also, the serial # is stamped on the side of the action as well. It may be located other places under the piano, but I haven't really looked.

My C7 was made for the US market, but I would not be afraid to buy a grey market Yamaha piano, if it was in good condition and could be verified by a qualified piano tech, and, the price was reasonable. I'd rather pay a bit more for a Yamaha made for the US market, but that is just me. Also, although I never use the middle pedal, I do like a 3 pedal piano, but again, that is just me.

I agree with BDB, if it is a grey market Yamaha G2E, there is no way a seller could know whether or not it was owned by one family. It is possibly it was owned by one family since shipped to the US for resale (the current sellers?). Otherwise, I doubt the history of it would be available, most likely.

I am a fan of Yamaha acoustic pianos (but not their digital pianos).

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Rick, do you happen to know when three pedals became common on Yamaha grands? I feel like I've read about that, but I'm not remembering what I read.


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I can't recall ever seeing a serial number engraved.


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Philip, good point! I didn't pay too much attention to that, I just assumed that the OP meant that the serial number wasn't in its usual location.

Alikat1234, do you see that serial number (2038132) on the plate in the spot shown on the Yamaha website I linked? (It would be in black, and not engraved) Or is that spot bare?

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Originally Posted by ShiroKuro
Rick, do you happen to know when three pedals became common on Yamaha grands? I feel like I've read about that, but I'm not remembering what I read.

I'm not sure either, ShiroKuro, regarding the 3 pedal design as opposed to the 2 pedal design. However, many of the older US made pianos, and some of the newer European made pianos still use the 2 pedal design. That leads me to believe that, like myself, most other players don't use that middle pedal either. smile

Guess I'm just used to seeing the 3 pedals, unless it is an old Wing and Son upright, which has 5 petals? Or 6? smile

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Rick, do you happen to know when three pedals became common on Yamaha grands? I feel like I've read about that, but I'm not remembering what I read.

I'm not sure either, ShiroKuro, regarding the 3 pedal design as opposed to the 2 pedal design. However, many of the older US made pianos, and some of the newer European made pianos still use the 2 pedal design. That leads me to believe that, like myself, most other players don't use that middle pedal either. smile

Guess I'm just used to seeing the 3 pedals, unless it is an old Wing and Son upright, which has 5 petals? Or 6? smile

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I don’t think we can assume that older US Pianos do not have a sostenuto: my 1903 M & H grand has all three pedals. I believe they have been standard on US grands, but necessary uprights.

It is used for classical music— although not frequently


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I rarely use that pedal (ok, maybe I've never used it...) but I always associate it as a "standard feature" on a modern grand. So whenever I see a grand with only two pedals, my default assumption is that it's "very" old. But now I'm wondering what "very" means here...


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Originally Posted by ShiroKuro
I rarely use that pedal (ok, maybe I've never used it...) but I always associate it as a "standard feature" on a modern grand. So whenever I see a grand with only two pedals, my default assumption is that it's "very" old. But now I'm wondering what "very" means here...


Here is a 1902 Steinway grand with sostenuto
https://www.lindebladpiano.com/ca/pianos/1902-steinway-a-106654?q=pianos/1902-steinway-a-106654


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Dogperson, right, but just because there are very old pianos with three pedals doesn't mean the three-pedal design was standard at that time. Also, the piano in question is a Yamaha, so I'm wondering when 3 pedals became the standard on Yamahas.


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My 1965 Yamaha G2 has three pedals.


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My 1965 Yamaha G2 has three pedals.

A ha! So that's interesting. I dated the OP's piano as being from 1975-76, so that might be wrong, or it might mean that three pedals were optional on Yamahas at that time.

El Sordo would you be willing to share a photo of your G2 that shows the "G2" part as well as the serial number? I feel like this would be really helpful for the OP.


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My 1965 Yamaha G2 has three pedals.

A ha! So that's interesting. I dated the OP's piano as being from 1975-76, so that might be wrong, or it might mean that three pedals were optional on Yamahas at that time.

El Sordo would you be willing to share a photo of your G2 that shows the "G2" part as well as the serial number? I feel like this would be really helpful for the OP.

ShiroKuro, I think many/most of the grey market Yamaha pianos have the two pedal design, even the later model ones. That is one quick way to tell, usually, if a Yamaha grand is a grey market piano.

Like El Sordo's Yamaha G2 from the mid 1960's most of the non-grey market Yamahas are the three pedal model.

Also, some of the grey market Yamaha grands do have the three pedals.

As for when Yamaha started making the 3 pedal grands, perhaps when they started shipping them to the US for sale? (A possibility, I suppose). smile

So, I guess it could go either way, with the two or three pedals; either way, an interesting subject... smile

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Sure thing, I'll post it the next time I'm at the studio where my piano lives. 👍


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I used to play a g2 built around late ‘70s or early ‘80s while I lived in Japan. It had 2 pedals. In fact, many pianos in Japan from that time frame only had 2 pedals. So this piano is very likely a grey market piano and the serial number seems to indicate that as well. Serial number is typically printed on the plate with black ink in case of Yamaha so it might have been wiped off while someone was cleaning the plate in preparation for sale. G2 was marketed specifically for home use so it’s very possible to find a piano with low usage and in good care.

Also, I’ve seen a NA market (non grey market) c3 from 1970 with 3 pedals. From what I’ve seen, by mid to ‘80s even Japan market Yamaha had 3 pedals.

If you like the particular G2, have a piano technician check it out.

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Originally Posted by BDB
That number does not check out to be a piano made for the US market, which would make it gray market. It is therefore not likely to have been owned by only one family.

I've had customers who bought Yamaha overseas and imported new. In fact, there are dealers in Japan today who specialise in that. A current customer just did that, but I believe they got a Chinese made counterfeit Yamaha, so not advised.

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Thanks for the information, I will check it once I decide whether to choose this piano.

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I have a 1968 Yamaha G2 which was built for the Japanese market. It has the serial number printed on the plate, but also engraved on the side of the piece of wood holding the pedals. Also has only 2 pedals.


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