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Rhythm Exercises with Metronome
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This series of rhythm exercises might be useful for people who are finding it hard to keep an even beat, and _especially_ useful for people who are finding it hard to keep (or count) "syncopated" rhythms, with strong notes off the metronome beats:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4Ei6x1ofCk

They are _basic_ exercises. All you need is a metronome (he uses an online metronome, I didn't know there was one) and a pair of hands for clapping. The presenter is a didgeridoo player, but what he teaches is applicable to all music.

If someone has never used a metronome, and would like to hear how it could be useful, it's a good video to start with.


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Originally Posted by Charles Cohen
This series of rhythm exercises might be useful for people who are finding it hard to keep an even beat, and _especially_ useful for people who are finding it hard to keep (or count) "syncopated" rhythms, with strong notes off the metronome beats:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4Ei6x1ofCk

They are _basic_ exercises. All you need is a metronome (he uses an online metronome, I didn't know there was one) and a pair of hands for clapping. The presenter is a didgeridoo player, but what he teaches is applicable to all music.

If someone has never used a metronome, and would like to hear how it could be useful, it's a good video to start with.

You may wish to "test" your link to be sure it works.


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Charles, I'd be interested to see that video.

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Charles, we want to see the video! The link just sings Happy Birthday to us . . .

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A cappella singing is punishment and I would rather be doing exercises


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I don't know which video was meant to be linked.
Good timekeeping is a struggle for me, as a late starter to playing music. After some scratching around, I'm pretty sure that the solution is to grow a bit of brain. To do that means to do psycho-motor exercises every day. Always.
I've no idea which exercises are best. But I
- play exercises to the metronome, varying the time feel and speed, often counting out loud
- tap my hands variously as in https://youtu.be/OIfp4FvjzUQ (The weird thing is just how right handed I am!)
- sometimes count as I walk, as per https://youtu.be/ayE74dXKgZ0

I'd welcome any other exercises, but I'm pretty sure the answer is in doing lots for a long time, more than one specific trick.

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Rhythmic clarinet mafia? ))
Leave these methods alone with counting and training only the right leg, 21st century it's time to throw in the trash can of history! Poor Eurocentric rhythm teachers - they think that they have all the truth ...

Pronounce the rhythm with the metronome!
Pronounce the rhythm with the metronome!
Pronounce the rhythm with the metronome!


We all possess rhythmic breathing, tongue and lips much better than legs, arms and fingers.

Funk pattern of Bob Mintzer from video :

https://yadi.sk/d/Ydm1rB2p7KCQfQ

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Originally Posted by Animisha
Yeah, great! not so different to my links above.

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Oops !!!!!!! I apologize.

Try this link (for the video I saw):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIzLXr7xecY

And this one (which starts with the metronome on 2 and 4, and continues with instructions for "how to speed up your playing, and stay in time"):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwipBQl-Vds

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Originally Posted by Nahum
Rhythmic clarinet mafia? ))
Certainly!
Originally Posted by Nahum
Leave these methods alone with counting and training only right leg, 21st century it's time to throw in the trash can of history! ...
Well, contemporary research...
Originally Posted by Oliver sacks - ‘Musicophilia’
Keeping time, physically and mentally, depends, as Chen and her colleagues have found, on interactions between the auditory and the dorsal premotor cortex—and it is only in the human brain that a functional connection between these two cortical areas exists. Crucially, these sensory and motor activations are precisely integrated with each other.

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Originally Posted by mizmar
Oliver sacks - ‘Musicophilia’
Keeping time, physically and mentally, depends, as Chen and her colleagues have found, on interactions between the auditory and the dorsal premotor cortex—and it is only in the human brain that a functional connection between these two cortical areas exists. Crucially, these sensory and motor activations are precisely integrated with each other.
Researchers know very well the names of different areas of the brain and something about their interaction; but practically could not help to my student, suffering from dyscalculia, establish the rhythm of playing the piano. I had to independently research where her rhythm lies, because her ear inhibits the perception of rhythm . It turned out two areas: walking, quite rhythmic, as well as colloquial speech; it’s just that brain dysfunction does not allow the rhythm to be carried out on the instrument using hearing. In her case, in order to go around the problem, for the first time I began to use melodica to pronounce the rhythmic side, which causes the musical sounds, and also in combination with walking - melodica provides this opportunity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr8-AL9XOOY

Today there is a device that can help her: a pulsating metronome. At that time did not exist.

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It should be recognized that the English language in sounding is most suitable for creating a rhythmic pulse, in particular its African-American version of the pronunciation (less British):

https://yadi.sk/d/Xf821T_VqdEk7A

However, even the most rhythmic English stands far behind the Carnatic konnakol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQmMTNnRX6k

It is necessary to distinguish between the language of verbal counting and the language of rhythm; Hindus, mostly speaking English, also understand this difference :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXpaCXADWH8 - from 0:41

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7HHIGxcI00 - from 8:50 (my colleague in the past)


This is precisely the most painful point in the rhythmic education of young (and not so) musicians, which comes from a rusty Eurocentric tradition.

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Originally Posted by pwl
Charles, we want to see the video! The link just sings Happy Birthday to us . . .

The link is broken so don't have any idea what it's suppose to be. I will say the common problems I've seen over the years. Start without your instrument and clap to the metronome. Most people think if they hear the metronome they are in time wrong. If you hear the metronome you are out of time practice clapping with the metronome and making the click of the metronome disappear then you are in time.

When just getting into reading and or more syncopated rhythms start without the instrument and clap the rhythms till you can clap them without any problems, then time to get on your instrument and try to play them. Rhythms are like learning to read words in a book you build up a vocabulary of words you just know instantly without thinking. Reading rhythms is the same thing over time you build up a vocabulary of rhythmic patterns/word you just instantly know the sound of. That way you just see a rhythm you know it so you just hang pitches on the notes. Learning music is very much like a little kid learning to talk you are memorizing sounds first then learning letters, words, and how to assemble into sentences. Music is the same be it by ear or playing the ink.

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Originally Posted by MrShed
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I will say the common problems I've seen over the years. Start without your instrument and clap to the metronome.
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This is not enough at all! You were once in military service, and sang marching songs?It requires rhythmic coordination between walking, breathing and pronunciation.
Thus, the total work on the rhythm with a metronome without tools (in this particular order): Thus, the full work on the rhythm with metronome without an instrument (in this order): walking + pronunciation tut-dat-tut-dat + claps, which are coordinated with pronunciation , not with the metronome ; at least in the first stage.

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Rhythms are like learning to read words in a book you build up a vocabulary of words you just know instantly without thinking. Reading rhythms is the same thing over time you build up a vocabulary of rhythmic patterns/word you just instantly know the sound of.
Absolutely right!!! Hence the natural conclusion: the combination of a rhythmic pattern with a vocabulary.

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( taken from Roni Holan’s book “Rhythm for All” )

The original is also designed for claps, which, however, does not take into account the duration factor.

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