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Yamaha C2X vs Boston 178 PEII vs Kawai GX3
#3000007 07/07/20 07:15 PM
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Hi, new to the forum, looking to buy a grand piano. Have tested out Bostons, Yamahas, and Kawais. I'm in Canada and eventually need to move the piano to either New York or SF in the next few years. I am an advanced player; I've never studied at a conservatory but I played competitively at the national level when younger / with orchestras + symphonies, etc. I finished my Licentiate ~6 years ago which is the equivalent of an undergrad in performance.

Currently have offers, in my current ranking of how much I like the piano itself:1. Boston 178 PEII for $36K CAD pre-GST so $38K all in, or $28K USD 
2. Yamaha C2X for $27K CAD, or C3X for $34K CAD
3. Kawai GX 3 6'2 for $35K CAD, or 5'11 for $30K

I'm currently liking the Boston the best, there's this wonderful mind-body-instrument connection I have with it, but I have no idea what the long-term stability is of the instrument. I'm currently playing the Yamaha U1 which is quite bright and melodic and that I've enjoyed for a long time, but for some reason the Yamahas I played in the store didn't sing. I'm not sure if that's just a question of how the piano is voiced and tuned so I'm hoping to visit friends in the area who own the same model and see how they sound. 

I know that Kawai makes the Boston, and after going in to visit a dealership today with Kawais I was really disappointed with them having seen the general opinion on the forum that they are better for the money. It didn't help that the dealership hadn't tuned them in a while due to COVID - a key got stuck while I was playing and stayed the whole time...

The trade-in for Steinway option is compelling for Boston but I'm trying to not attach too much weight to it due to the 'car dealership problem' - salespeople can either give you a really good cash price, or give you an okay price with full-value for your trade-in, so I'm guessing in the end it'll make max 10K difference.

Thank you SO much for your thoughts. I'd hope this to be a lifetime piano.

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I also found the Boston PE pianos to be impressive. I’m of no help beyond that.

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Boston pianos are made by Kawai but anyone who plays them will know they are not Kawai instruments.They can are designed by Steinways but they not Steinways either.This has always
counted against them-- their identity.
All three are very good instruments so it is really up to you.Kawai GX are just as good as the Yamaha CX instruments.

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Sorry I mean't to say Boston are made by Kawai but designed by Steinways.

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If the Kawais weren’t doing it for You - I’d probably focus on the other 2 bigger Grands - The Boston 178 or the Yamaha C3X

Nothing against the Yamaha C2X, other than it’s the smallest on Your list


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If you like the Boston 178 best, perhaps negotiate for a better deal, since the “peer” pianos are priced more competitively. The trade-in aspect doesn’t really register on my radar, since I’m not particularly brand loyal.


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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
Boston pianos are made by Kawai but anyone who plays them will know they are not Kawai instruments.They can are designed by Steinways but they not Steinways either.This has always
counted against them-- their identity.
No realistic person would expect Bostons to be Steinways which cost 2-3 times as much. So I can't see how not being Steinways would count against them.

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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
Boston pianos are made by Kawai but anyone who plays them will know they are not Kawai instruments.They can are designed by Steinways but they not Steinways either.This has always
counted against them-- their identity.
No realistic person would expect Bostons to be Steinways which cost 2-3 times as much. So I can't see how not being Steinways would count against them.

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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
Boston pianos are made by Kawai but anyone who plays them will know they are not Kawai instruments.They can are designed by Steinways but they not Steinways either.This has always
counted against them-- their identity.
No realistic person would expect Bostons to be Steinways which cost 2-3 times as much. So I can't see how not being Steinways would count against them.
I was only talking about thier identity and the confusion it causes being made by Kawai and designed by Steinway.
One poster here reffered to an Essex as a "Steinways". Another poster said a dealer after showing him a a Boston started to refer the instrument as the "Steinways Boston".
Boston's do not sound at all like Kawai pianos nor do they respond the way Kawai do.They are not
Kawai pianos.
The pianos are neither ,then they get called Boston! (cynical ?)

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Welcome to the forum, Lovelydove!

When piano shopping last summer, I fell in love with several Boston's (including the 178), but a new piano was not in my budget and there weren't lots of used ones in my area (I ended up buying a 20 y/o Yamaha C2 for the record). I also didn't like any of the Kawais I played (I didn't like the action), so you and I may have similar piano tastes! (My first acoustic was a Yamaha U1 as well whome

In any case, I think it makes sense to purchase based on which piano you like best now, not based on the idea that you might trade in that piano in the future for some as yet unheard piano...

I'm curious about the Yamahas that you felt didn't sing out... I wonder if the new approach to the Yamaha sound either didn't work for you, or maybe they weren't prepped well.

Have you visited the same store a second time? If not, I highly recommend that (a second, third, fourth time...) because you learn so much by doing that. (although, I learned that I loved some instruments I can't afford, so... grin

And, best of luck in your decision making and keep us posted!!


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If you are keen on a piano .,It is reasonable to phone and make an appointment to see the instrument .At the same time ask them if they could at least tune the piano before you arrive.A good tuning often works wonders to improve the tone of a piano so you can see its potential better.
Piano dealers often sometimes do not have thier pianos tuned as well as they should be.Perhaps more so now with some technicians no longer working since the Covid virus.

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As I understand things but I didn’t go this path because Steinway dealerships have struggled in my home state, Steinway realizes that much of the market for pianos falls below the starting price of Steinway grands so Steinway designs two different lines of pianos for those people who can’t afford a Steinway. The Essex is their lowest priced line made in China and then there’s the Boston made by Kawai. If you buy a Boston I believe but am not positive, you get full trade in price when you trade up to a Steinway. The Boston is a nice piano in its own right as you and quite a few people on this forum state. Last time I played one, which was years ago, before Kawai went with the Millennium III action, I found the Boston nice but not exactly my cup of tea. It’s all a matter of personal taste. Some people, and many piano experts adore the carbon fiber action of the Kawai, others don’t care for it and so a Boston would be ideal.

I’ve always been a Yamaha fan so of the brands and pianos you mentioned I’d get the C3X. But that’s just me. You should go back to try your favorites again and again to see what you really want and then go for it. Best Wishes on your search.

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