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It sounds more bright then the 600 series which is personally preferable.
I think the kawai samples may be little better, though the sound will be personal preference. But it just seems the sample quality and detail is little better on kawai ca series

Also I hope the recording was not binural... the Yamaha binural is only specific to headphones output, the samples don’t play like such through onboard speakers

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In that second video they say the action is improved. So, it's not exactly the same action as in CLP6XX series, but how/what is improved, that remains to be seen by testing. As I said, Yamaha are not known for admitting particular weak points in their previous pianos that were improved because that probably sounds bad smile They won't say "people complained about the initial friction, so we fixed it".


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Originally Posted by CyberGene
In that second video they say the action is improved. So, it's not exactly the same action as in CLP6XX series, but how/what is improved, that remains to be seen by testing. As I said, Yamaha are not known for admitting particular weak points in their previous pianos that were improved because that probably sounds bad smile They won't say "people complained about the initial friction, so we fixed it".

I didn't read the whole thread, but you don't think other manufacturers are like that also? (kawai, roland)


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In that second video they say the action is improved. So, it's not exactly the same action as in CLP6XX series, but how/what is improved, that remains to be seen by testing. As I said, Yamaha are not known for admitting particular weak points in their previous pianos that were improved because that probably sounds bad smile They won't say "people complained about the initial friction, so we fixed it".

I didn't read the whole thread, but you don't think other manufacturers are like that also? (kawai, roland)

Kawai reveal more details about what has been improved in their action. They also won't directly admit about what was a weak point but would indirectly point to it. For instance in GF3 they improved the cushioning. This most probably refers to complaints about GF2 feeling too mushy. They also mentioned improving the capstan to hammer linkage (not sure how exactly they articulated it, need to find James quotes) which we already know means they replaced the faulty design with the teflon tapes leading to sticky keys.


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My god the new clp 700 series looks set to flop big time, imo clavinova have only declined in quality over the years, peaking at the clp 380 which I owned, great piano and speaker system. I would only consider kawai key beds now, much lighter and realistic and easier to play like a concert grand is. Yamaha are overly heavy with all their keyboards. Their press releases and new instrument reveals and media are a joke now, no one is surprised or slightly amazed by anything new they bring out. I dont even consider them competition to the other brands anymore, they are a joke, trash company with garbage instruments.

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Originally Posted by mwf
My god the new clp 700 series looks set to flop big time, imo clavinova have only declined in quality over the years, peaking at the clp 380 which I owned, great piano and speaker system. I would only consider kawai key beds now, much lighter and realistic and easier to play like a concert grand is. Yamaha are overly heavy with all their keyboards. Their press releases and new instrument reveals and media are a joke now, no one is surprised or slightly amazed by anything new they bring out. I dont even consider them competition to the other brands anymore, they are a joke, trash company with garbage instruments.

I do think they have declined to some extent, but in the other hand competitions got better like kawai and Casio even.
Roland has also declined in the sound department , maybe not action.


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My god the new clp 700 series looks set to flop big time, imo clavinova have only declined in quality over the years, peaking at the clp 380 which I owned, great piano and speaker system. I would only consider kawai key beds now, much lighter and realistic and easier to play like a concert grand is. Yamaha are overly heavy with all their keyboards. Their press releases and new instrument reveals and media are a joke now, no one is surprised or slightly amazed by anything new they bring out. I dont even consider them competition to the other brands anymore, they are a joke, trash company with garbage instruments.

Kawai! Kawai! Kawai! Kawai are the best digital pianos in the world. Period!


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My god the new clp 700 series looks set to flop big time, imo clavinova have only declined in quality over the years, peaking at the clp 380 which I owned, great piano and speaker system. I would only consider kawai key beds now, much lighter and realistic and easier to play like a concert grand is. Yamaha are overly heavy with all their keyboards. Their press releases and new instrument reveals and media are a joke now, no one is surprised or slightly amazed by anything new they bring out. I dont even consider them competition to the other brands anymore, they are a joke, trash company with garbage instruments.

Kawai! Kawai! Kawai! Kawai are the best digital pianos in the world. Period!

Hmm I think it might be true LOL 😂.


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@mwf: I must have to admit that I was surprised by the key acceleration measure done to control better the sound. I don’t know other models which does that. Then Yes, the CLP700 did surprise me.

That said, I am looking forward to a demo of a CLP700 like the one I have published (done on an acoustic grand). See https://youtu.be/JxPGkjgxCVQ


Isn’t the CLP380 an AWM piano ? Then a tone generator which switches layers among few of them (5) with no blending... I am sure Yamaha has progressed since this model.

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I’ve decided to set the ASP (actual selling price) for the new Clavinova CLP-785 PE at $4,000 out the door.

I have tried very hard to rate it higher, but as it stands, the GOP (gross over-the-top publicity) does not hold up with expectations.

I will revise my score in three years’ time (885), but at this moment not a penny more! (Oh, and the purchase must include a free Jansen bench). grin

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Originally Posted by Frédéric L
@mwf: I must have to admit that I was surprised by the key acceleration measure done to control better the sound. I don’t know other models which does that. Then Yes, the CLP700 did surprise me.

That said, I am looking forward to a demo of a CLP700 like the one I have published (done on an acoustic grand). See https://youtu.be/JxPGkjgxCVQ


Isn’t the CLP380 an AWM piano ? Then a tone generator which switches layers among few of them (5) with no blending... I am sure Yamaha has progressed since this model.
Are you Graham Fich , the artist in the video?


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GOP ? Perhaps, but Yamaha is not the only brand to be emphatic.


Let’s guess who wrote ;

The ***** Series is transforming all notions of how good is a digital piano can be. The ****** Series models combine the very latest in digital technology with the most advanced action to beautifully capture the essence of playing a fine concert grand piano. Play our ****** Series instruments to understand why they are among the most award-wining digital pianos in the industry.

Hint : ***** should not be replaced by an hybrid Series as it seems to be.

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I have to admit: I grew up thinking I was eating the ‘best hotdog in the world’ at my local diner because they had a big sign saying so; turns out the hotdogs were made from leftover pig-guts and bald-chicken arse. I later found out the diner was shut down by authorities for health and sanitation violations and, as it turns out, for selling the worst hotdog on the planet.

The brain can easily be conditioned to perceive a reality that isn’t there; which is why manufacturers bombard us with signs/symbols and all sorts of subliminal.....

“Look at the watch ticktock.....you will love the 785; RGE2 (better than 1); modeled (it’s science, stupid); screen goes black (the universe is black); etc..... laugh

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I don’t value much the screen which goes black. But some other did it here and are unhappy with Kawai piano with an illuminated screen at the left.

Read here in 2017 :

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3/ Have a 'Totally Black Screen' option - One of the things I really liked about the other Kawais was that they had a physical black flap that came down over the screen, so that when you are actually playing, the screen isn't visible and it feels like simply playing a 'normal' acoustic piano. Would be a real shame to lose that feeling. So would be good to have the option of a totally black screen (or maybe match the colour of the piano! So white if the piano was coloured white, oak coloured for oak etc) so that the screen 'disappears' while playing.


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....yes, but then there’s a thing called ‘transducers’. That sounds highly sophisticated and futuristic; you know, like “Transformers” (yes, they can transform into all sorts of things). grin

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Originally Posted by Jitin
Are you Graham Fich , the artist in the video?
I wish I was, but unfortunately...

I quoted this video because it is the only one which compare the sound of the piano with different phrasings. And I am sure that Yamaha try to reproduce them with measuring the acceleration to control the sound.

I would be Graham Fich, I would certainly wait for a CLP700 coming in my nearest piano store, and try to reproduce what was demonstrated. But unfortunately....

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This could well be a sales pitch from any piano. Any piano at all!
Even a cheap 61-key battery operated Casio from the 1980s.
Bullcrud is everywhere, in all piano sales literature, through all history!
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Let’s guess who wrote:

The *** Series is transforming all notions of how good is a digital piano can be.
The *** Series models combine the very latest in digital technology with the most advanced action to beautifully capture the essence of playing a fine concert grand piano.
Play our *** Series instruments to understand why they are among the most award-wining digital pianos in the industry.

I'm surprised they didn't include portraits of famous piano composers, alongside the claim that Chopin and Liszt would be pleased with the performance of these fine pianos!

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I'm surprised they didn't include portraits of famous piano composers, alongside the claim that Chopin and Liszt would be pleased with the performance of these fine pianos!

They might still do that, if not now then for some later version (and actually, I think both of those gentlemen would have been enthused to play a modern day CLP ... or one from twenty years ago, for that matter). smile


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😂😂😂, hold your horses mac. For me I am quite optimistic that the new clp 700 series is better than the old 600 series but not by far. But they sound good in the video especially the 785

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To be sure the CLP700 will be loved by Chopin, they added some fortepiano sound. wink


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