2017 was our 20th year online!

Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 3 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments.
Over 100,000 members from around the world.
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

Shop our online store for music lovers
SEARCH
Piano Forums & Piano World
(ad)
Best of Piano Buyer
 Best of Piano Buyer
(ad)
Faust Harrison Pianos
Faust Harrison 100+ Steinway pianos
(ad)
Wessell Nickel & Gross
PianoForAll
Who's Online Now
80 members (accordeur, Abdol, anotherscott, Adem, AWilley, AndrewJCW, 8ude, 17 invisible), 678 guests, and 597 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
(ad)
Estonia Pianos
Estonia Pianos
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Hop To
Page 5 of 6 1 2 3 4 5 6
Re: Steingraeber 138
gwing #2999552 07/06/20 05:14 PM
Joined: Aug 2018
Posts: 6,217
L
6000 Post Club Member
Offline
6000 Post Club Member
L
Joined: Aug 2018
Posts: 6,217
Originally Posted by gwing
Thank you. Lovely playing and an impressive piano.
I agree ! I have never played a Steingraeber.For some reason the added height scares me.Mind you I could never afford something llike your piano so perhaps its a good thing.

Last edited by Lady Bird; 07/06/20 05:15 PM. Reason: spelling
Re: Steingraeber 138
Lucubrate #2999557 07/06/20 05:29 PM
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 1,049
1000 Post Club Member
Offline
1000 Post Club Member
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 1,049
Originally Posted by Lucubrate
Curious - Are there any Steingraeber Dealers on the West Coast


~Lucubrate

Hi Lucurate,

In San Francisco / Berkeley, Ric Overton at R.KASSMAN piano is the Steingraeber dealer. He bought my company when I retired last year. I know he has a beautiful Steingraeber 138 in stock, and I am loving my 130 that I selected just before I retired.


Russell I. Kassman

FORMER: US Rep.for C.Bechstein - Sauter; Retired founder/owner R. KASSMAN Piano; Consultant - GUANGZHOU Pearl River Piano Co.

www.rkassman.com
russell@rkassman.com
Re: Steingraeber 138
Silver Handprint #2999559 07/06/20 05:37 PM
Joined: Jun 2020
Posts: 426
L
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
L
Joined: Jun 2020
Posts: 426
Thanks Russell!


~Lucubrate


Bösendorfer 280VC
Steingraeber 130

“First say to yourself what you would be; and then do what you have to do.“ ~Epictetus
Re: Steingraeber 138
master88er #2999576 07/06/20 06:15 PM
Joined: Jun 2020
Posts: 426
L
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
L
Joined: Jun 2020
Posts: 426
Originally Posted by master88er
.... and I am loving my 130 that I selected just before I retired.

If You don’t mind Me asking - Why did You select a 130 over the 138

Again - Thanks again for the information. I sent an inquiry to Ric & noted Our exchange


~Lucubrate


Bösendorfer 280VC
Steingraeber 130

“First say to yourself what you would be; and then do what you have to do.“ ~Epictetus
Re: Steingraeber 138
Maestro Lennie #2999596 07/06/20 06:58 PM
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 175
E
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
E
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 175
That is pretty much exactly what I meant, although I might have phrased it in different terms. Just like microphones, there are some pianos that flatter the pianist (perhaps relative to certain repertoire) and others that simply show exactly what they are, for good or ill.


1926 Hamburg Steinway R (home, rebuilt in 2015)
1986 Hamburg Steinway C (church, "loaner")
1902 New York Steinway D (church, rebuild pending)
Re: Steingraeber 138
Lucubrate #2999633 07/06/20 08:18 PM
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 1,049
1000 Post Club Member
Offline
1000 Post Club Member
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 1,049
Originally Posted by Lucubrate
Originally Posted by master88er
.... and I am loving my 130 that I selected just before I retired.

If You don’t mind Me asking - Why did You select a 130 over the 138

Again - Thanks again for the information. I sent an inquiry to Ric & noted Our exchange


~Lucubrate

Not at all ......

When I sold the shop, I also decided to move back to Chicago to be closer to family (health reasons). I decided to custom order a Steingraeber B-192 made to my personal specs (cabinetry) which I knew would take about a year. SO, I had to pick something to have during the first Chicago winter in a condo..... and although all the uprights in my shop have wonderful qualities, the Steingraeber uprights just simply surpass everything else. At the time (last August) we had two 130's in stock and only one 138. So, I chose a 130 because I wanted to be sure Ric (the new owner) had a 138 in stock because they take a long time to replace. Due to the current COVID situation, my grand is delayed even more (maybe November if I'm lucky), so I am happy I made the decision to take this piano with me. It will be difficult to let it go when the time comes.


Russell I. Kassman

FORMER: US Rep.for C.Bechstein - Sauter; Retired founder/owner R. KASSMAN Piano; Consultant - GUANGZHOU Pearl River Piano Co.

www.rkassman.com
russell@rkassman.com
Re: Steingraeber 138
Silver Handprint #2999643 07/06/20 08:47 PM
Joined: Jun 2020
Posts: 426
L
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
L
Joined: Jun 2020
Posts: 426
Excellent - Thanks Russell!

Sorry to hear about the delay of Your Grand, though

I’ve spoke to Ric - He does have the 138. It has the SFM action, as well as the the ‘Twist & Change’ option

My first reaction to the ‘Twist & Change’ option was - Bummer

I don’t really know much about it, other than what I’ve seen online. I don’t want to put You in an awkward position, by asking Your opinion of it. However, I would appreciate to hear opinions from those that have seen a Twist & Change model, or have any other info, regarding it


~Lucubrate

Last edited by Lucubrate; 07/06/20 08:48 PM.

Bösendorfer 280VC
Steingraeber 130

“First say to yourself what you would be; and then do what you have to do.“ ~Epictetus
Re: Steingraeber 138
master88er #2999663 07/06/20 09:38 PM
Joined: Jan 2020
Posts: 335
M
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
M
Joined: Jan 2020
Posts: 335
Originally Posted by master88er
Originally Posted by Lucubrate
Originally Posted by master88er
.... and I am loving my 130 that I selected just before I retired.

If You don’t mind Me asking - Why did You select a 130 over the 138

Again - Thanks again for the information. I sent an inquiry to Ric & noted Our exchange


~Lucubrate

Not at all ......

When I sold the shop, I also decided to move back to Chicago to be closer to family (health reasons). I decided to custom order a Steingraeber B-192 made to my personal specs (cabinetry) which I knew would take about a year. SO, I had to pick something to have during the first Chicago winter in a condo..... and although all the uprights in my shop have wonderful qualities, the Steingraeber uprights just simply surpass everything else. At the time (last August) we had two 130's in stock and only one 138. So, I chose a 130 because I wanted to be sure Ric (the new owner) had a 138 in stock because they take a long time to replace. Due to the current COVID situation, my grand is delayed even more (maybe November if I'm lucky), so I am happy I made the decision to take this piano with me. It will be difficult to let it go when the time comes.
As long as you got the commission!

Re: Steingraeber 138
Erchoukyrie #2999670 07/06/20 09:55 PM
Joined: Jan 2020
Posts: 335
M
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
M
Joined: Jan 2020
Posts: 335
Originally Posted by Erchoukyrie
That is pretty much exactly what I meant, although I might have phrased it in different terms. Just like microphones, there are some pianos that flatter the pianist (perhaps relative to certain repertoire) and others that simply show exactly what they are, for good or ill.

That was my impression also when I heard them live (all three), as well as in these good recordings. Like an excellent grand piano that you could hang your head over while playing. They allow you to do pretty much anything, which can be a real challenge if you aren’t feeling confident.

By contrast, Grotrians have more of their own (lovely) voice(s).

Bechsteins are somewhere in the middle— with a magical patina if in good shape but offering a real challenge to bring to their best. A difficult problem to solve, perhaps. I just saw a video of Michelangeli playing Ravel with Celibidache in London, and the best Bechsteins seem to cry out for an alchemist like him. Obviously , he was a Steinway man, but it would have been a treat to hear him play an instrument a hair less neutral. Lipatti is another, who did like Bechsteins.

Enough of other makes, though. This one sounds quite lovely, and has met a good partner.

Re: Steingraeber 138
Lucubrate #2999686 07/06/20 11:03 PM
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 1,049
1000 Post Club Member
Offline
1000 Post Club Member
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 1,049
Originally Posted by Lucubrate
Excellent - Thanks Russell!

Sorry to hear about the delay of Your Grand, though

I’ve spoke to Ric - He does have the 138. It has the SFM action, as well as the the ‘Twist & Change’ option

My first reaction to the ‘Twist & Change’ option was - Bummer

I don’t really know much about it, other than what I’ve seen online. I don’t want to put You in an awkward position, by asking Your opinion of it. However, I would appreciate to hear opinions from those that have seen a Twist & Change model, or have any other info, regarding it


~Lucubrate

Forgive me, but I don’t understand your trepidation about Twist and Change. It’s simply the ability to go from one cabinet style to another, and my clients have found it to be very appealing.

As to the 138 that Ric has, if its the one that was there when I sold the shop, its a fabulous piano IMHO. I picked it out from four at the factory, and it arrived just before Ric took over. It has an absolutely stunning Paduk (a type of rare wood) inlay, but can easily be simply Black because of the Twist and Change feature. The action will rival ANY 7 or 9 ft grand for sensitivity and response, and IMHO it puts most 7 foot grands to shame. The natural keys are Laranim, (an exclusive German keytop made from minerals ) which looks and feels like Ivory, and the sharps are natural ebony. Also, if its the same piano, it has a full sostenuto.

You don’t have to change the Cabinet, but its very nice to know the possibility is there. Personally, I love the elegant Paduk inlays on the top and bottom panels. I think you will too.

If you need any other input from me, I would suggest you PM me rather than bore others in this thread with my biased opinions.


Russell I. Kassman

FORMER: US Rep.for C.Bechstein - Sauter; Retired founder/owner R. KASSMAN Piano; Consultant - GUANGZHOU Pearl River Piano Co.

www.rkassman.com
russell@rkassman.com
Re: Steingraeber 138
Silver Handprint #2999691 07/06/20 11:18 PM
Joined: Jun 2020
Posts: 426
L
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
L
Joined: Jun 2020
Posts: 426
Thanks Russell - Much appreciated!!!

I’ve found Your bias Opinions to be Excellent, here & in other Threads


~Lucubrate


Bösendorfer 280VC
Steingraeber 130

“First say to yourself what you would be; and then do what you have to do.“ ~Epictetus
Re: Steingraeber 138
Silver Handprint #3000651 07/09/20 11:41 AM
Joined: Jul 2016
Posts: 48
S
Full Member
OP Offline
Full Member
S
Joined: Jul 2016
Posts: 48
I thank everyone who's read or commented on this thread. I deeply appreciate your kind words and interesting opinions. I'll continue to record and share on this thread as time permits.

May I suggest you enjoy my recordings with earphones or headphones, unless you have nice speakers? My laptop's and phone's speakers distort so much of the acoustics that I don't hear any of the beautiful tonal details. Live is certainly the best, but at least with earphones or headphones, the recording sounds closer to what I hear when I play.



Hi, Lucubrate. I agree with Russell about Twist and Change. The front panels are finished on both sides. One side is standard piano black polish. The other side is with the artistic design. You can easily flip the panels to reveal the side of your choice—top panel only, bottom only, or both.

Based on Russell's description, I think I played that specific Steingraeber 138 last August when I visited Ric. Its tone and touch was wonderful, as expected, but I distinctly remember loving the keys' texture. I also noticed that the gap between the ebonies and their adjacent, played ivory—F# and F, for example—is narrower and doesn't snag my index finger's nail. On my piano, the ebonies' recede at a sharper angle below the surface, so the gap between a played F and an unplayed F# is bigger. So, even though I keep my nails closely trimmed, sometimes when I play an F quickly, my fingernail may get caught. This only happens with D and Db, C and C#, and F and F#. It's minor, but something I never knew to check for before my Steingraeber 138.

By the way, Ric was a wonderful, patient, and accommodating host. I wholeheartedly recommend anyone visit him and check out his wide range of top-quality pianos.

Re: Steingraeber 138
Silver Handprint #3000661 07/09/20 12:11 PM
Joined: Jul 2016
Posts: 48
S
Full Member
OP Offline
Full Member
S
Joined: Jul 2016
Posts: 48
Correction: This only happens with E and Eb, C and C#, and F and F#.

Re: Steingraeber 138
Silver Handprint #3000668 07/09/20 12:32 PM
Joined: Jun 2020
Posts: 426
L
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
L
Joined: Jun 2020
Posts: 426
Originally Posted by Silver Handprint
Hi, Lucubrate. I agree with Russell about Twist and Change. The front panels are finished on both sides. One side is standard piano black polish. The other side is with the artistic design. You can easily flip the panels to reveal the side of your choice—top panel only, bottom only, or both.

Thanks for the feedback! I’ve since spoken with Russell & Ric, as well as seen some pictures, all of which has assuaged My initial concerns

Quote
Based on Russell's description, I think I played that specific Steingraeber 138 last August when I visited Ric. Its tone and touch was wonderful, as expected, but I distinctly remember loving the keys' texture.

You don’t know Me, but having read & re-read Your comments on Steingraebers, You’ve really influenced My thinking. Your concise observations & detailed commentary have been much appreciated, as well as Your recordings. Thank You!!


Quote
By the way, Ric was a wonderful, patient, and accommodating host. I wholeheartedly recommend anyone visit him and check out his wide range of top-quality pianos.

I’ve been working with Ric & couldn’t agree more!

Thanks again SilverHandprint, for sharing Your observations, opinions & music!


~Lucubrate


Bösendorfer 280VC
Steingraeber 130

“First say to yourself what you would be; and then do what you have to do.“ ~Epictetus
Re: Steingraeber 138
Silver Handprint #3000693 07/09/20 01:40 PM
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 879
500 Post Club Member
Offline
500 Post Club Member
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 879
Originally Posted by Silver Handprint
I thank everyone who's read or commented on this thread. I deeply appreciate your kind words and interesting opinions. I'll continue to record and share on this thread as time permits.

May I suggest you enjoy my recordings with earphones or headphones, unless you have nice speakers? My laptop's and phone's speakers distort so much of the acoustics that I don't hear any of the beautiful tonal details. Live is certainly the best, but at least with earphones or headphones, the recording sounds closer to what I hear when I play.
==================SNIP===========
Silver Handprint - it's been a pleasure reading what you've written, looking at the pictures and listening to the recordings you've made with your new Steingraeber. All are admirable.

I am someone who has been involved in making recordings dating back to the days when we did it with reel to reel tape recorders and spliced sections with razor cuts and adhesive tape. Given the very nice recordings you've been able to make with the built-in mics on a flash recorder , I'm particularly interested in your recording technique and how it has evolved. (It is my experience that recording is as much art, as science.). You've written about where you placed your machine, but searching through the posts, I saw lots of piano pictures, but none showing the specifics of your recording setup. If it's not too much trouble, when you have. time, could you make some pictures to share with us? I usually record my grand piano, and I've found "the sweet spot" for microphone positioning, levels, and all that. I also have a very nice upright, and although I think I've gotten some good results, I'd like to try positioning my mics as you did.

All best wishes with your new piano.


Andrew Kraus, Pianist
Educated Amateur Tuner/Technician
I Make Music that Lifts People Up & Brings Them Together
Rockville, MD USA
www.AndrewKraus.com
www.YouTube.com/RockvillePianoGuy
Twitter at @IAmAPianist

1929 Steinert 6'10" (Close copy of New York S&S "B")
Re: Steingraeber 138
Maestro Lennie #3001107 07/10/20 12:37 PM
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 228
L
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
L
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 228
Originally Posted by Maestro Lennie
[quote=Erchoukyrie]
Bechsteins are somewhere in the middle— with a magical patina if in good shape but offering a real challenge to bring to their best. A difficult problem to solve, perhaps. I just saw a video of Michelangeli playing Ravel with Celibidache in London, and the best Bechsteins seem to cry out for an alchemist like him. Obviously , he was a Steinway man, but it would have been a treat to hear him play an instrument a hair less neutral.
Sorry its not right. Was played with Hamburg D, as you can see here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YGxbA0WJ0k
Historical concert!!

Re: Steingraeber 138
lluiscl #3001279 07/10/20 06:18 PM
Joined: Jan 2020
Posts: 335
M
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
M
Joined: Jan 2020
Posts: 335
Originally Posted by lluiscl
Obviously , he was a Steinway man...

:eyeroll:

Re: Steingraeber 138
Silver Handprint #3007155 07/26/20 09:29 PM
Joined: Jul 2016
Posts: 48
S
Full Member
OP Offline
Full Member
S
Joined: Jul 2016
Posts: 48
Recording #13 "Dear Frankie" Opening Title by Alex Heffes

This song is featured in British film Dear Frankie, starring Emily Mortimer, Gerard Butler, and Jack McElhone. The screenplay by Andrea Gibb focuses on a young single mother whose love for her son prompts her to perpetuate a deception designed to protect him from the truth about his father. The film was critically acclaimed and won numerous awards, including two BAFTA Scotland Awards. (Official trailer on YouTube.)


Set up details
Microphone: My Zoom H4n Pro's built-in XY microphones are squared and centered about 30 cm away from the strings that are exposed after removal of my piano's lower front board. The microphones were set to a wider angle of 120º instead of the usual 90º.

Format: I recorded in wave format 48 kHz and 24 bit. No post-processing. Instead of my previous CD-quality settings, I bumped up the frequency and bit depth to something more appropriate for 2020. This will be my new standard.

Sharing: I directly uploaded the wave file instead of an MP3 to avoid duplicate lossy compression from sharing services.

Last edited by Silver Handprint; 07/26/20 09:31 PM.
Re: Steingraeber 138
Silver Handprint #3007191 07/27/20 02:11 AM
Joined: Feb 2020
Posts: 300
K
Full Member
Online Content
Full Member
K
Joined: Feb 2020
Posts: 300
Oh this is lovely. I played about 10 different Steingräbers (but only 2 138s...) at the factory and it never sounded as sweet as this. Just wonderful!

Re: Steingraeber 138
Silver Handprint #3026894 09/19/20 06:25 PM
Joined: Jul 2016
Posts: 48
S
Full Member
OP Offline
Full Member
S
Joined: Jul 2016
Posts: 48
♫ Recording #14 "Spring Waltz" by Yiruma

This song is featured in Korean television series Spring Waltz.


Set up details
Microphone: My Zoom H4n Pro's built-in XY microphones were squared and positioned 60 cm from the floor and about 100 cm away from the strings, which were exposed after removal of my piano's lower front board. The microphones were set to 90º instead of 120º.

Format: I recorded in wave format at 48 kHz and 24 bit. No post-processing.

Sharing: I directly uploaded the wave file to avoid duplicate lossy compression from sharing services.

Last edited by Silver Handprint; 09/19/20 06:26 PM.
Page 5 of 6 1 2 3 4 5 6

Moderated by  Ken Knapp, Piano World 

Link Copied to Clipboard
What's Hot!!
News from the Piano World
100,000!
---------------------
NEW! Sell Your Piano on our world famous Piano Forums!
---------------------
Posting Pictures on the Forums
-------------------
Forums RULES & HELP
-------------------
ADVERTISE on Piano World
(ad)
Pianoteq
Steinway Spiro Layering
(ad)
PianoDisc

PianoDisc
(ad)
Piano Life Saver - Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
(ad)
Mason & Hamlin Pianos
New Topics - Multiple Forums
Kurzweil ka130 vs Casio px770 vs...
by Ninchie007 - 01/18/21 04:45 PM
Refurb or Trade for a Rebuild
by brdwyguy - 01/18/21 04:22 PM
VST Spreadsheet not Available on Sticky Thread
by Harpuia - 01/18/21 02:57 PM
Roland FP Advice
by LongTimeNoSee - 01/18/21 01:49 PM
Expanding Voices for a Digital Piano - Keep it SIMPLE
by Steve Wild - 01/18/21 01:35 PM
Download Sheet Music
Virtual Sheet Music - Classical Sheet Music Downloads
Forum Statistics
Forums42
Topics204,365
Posts3,048,581
Members100,115
Most Online15,252
Mar 21st, 2010
Please Support Our Advertisers


Faust Harrison 100+ Steinways

Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver

 Best of Piano Buyer

PianoTeq Bechstein
Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers

Virtual Sheet Music - Classical Sheet Music Downloads



 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
| Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter |


© copyright 1997 - 2021 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.4